More Evil and Gayness

Discussion in 'Fallout 3 Discussion' started by angie, Apr 27, 2007.

  1. angie

    angie First time out of the vault

    Apr 14, 2007
    RPGs always punish people for being mean and reward them for being nice. That's not how it is in real life. "Take me to the radscorpion caves." Nonsense!

    We should have the option to be a jerk, or at least someone realistic.

    Also, Fallout games are the only games with gay people. Don't be a PR-obsessed slave-of-a-machine: make Fallout 3 the first really non-homophobic game! Add a sexual orientation option!

    Even if the gay people have retarded generic dialog and only fetch/kill quests...
  2. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Jul 5, 2003
    Why? What would adding gayness for the sake of gayness add? Especially if there's barely opportunity to show straightness in a game.
  3. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    I can assure you this is not true, and I can bet Wikipedia has a "List_of_games_with_gay_people".

    I see. And how does that concur with 50s Amierican morality standards and the fact that gays in the fifties were subject to social ostracism?

    You're way off, my dear.

    Yes, and on the character sheet, so you don't have to make hard choices in-game :roll:

    So what's the friggin' point then? Do you want an RPG game, or a manifesto?
  4. angie

    angie First time out of the vault

    Apr 14, 2007
    Um, don't get offended...

    By PR-obsessed slave-of-a-machine, I meant people are too willing to sell themselves to corporations, which are really just machines. They want to make profitable games for a machine rather than good games for people. People then get used to a diet of increasingly dumbed-down corporate product, and games get even worse in a vicious cycle. Nothing to do with gayness in specific.

    Games are homophobic. They operate in a universe where gay people don't exist. When homosexuality does exist, it's in the form of a joke. If there's anything romantic or sexual, it's heterosexual and for men.

    Manifesto? I was criticizing Bethesda, especially Oblivion. Nothing but generic dialog and fetch-quests...

    But seriously, let's not fight. I thought people would agree with me or make jokes, I by no means wanted to start a fight.

    But I forgot about The longest Journey, which featured actual lesbians who weren't stereotypes.
  5. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Only Fallout 2. And it wasn't even a true Fallout.

    Actually, Fallout seems to lack 50's American morality standards and for some reason the world of F1 seems to be a gender-blind utopia.
    It has female guards, female soldiers, people don't have any problems with a female character going adventuring...
    Also, there don't seem to be any racial conflicts, etc.
    I think it was made modern-people-friendly.

    I second that.

    As for the general idea of adding gay people (and straight people in families when we are on this subject) - I think that it would be better than adding a better plasma gun.

    I agree - but - Fallout already does reward being amoral - some of the most lucrative jobs like working for Decker and becoming a Slaver are "evil".
  6. Kahgan

    Kahgan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 25, 2003
    what's wrong with beeing homofobic?
  7. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    There should be an option of being homophobic in cRPGs that contain homosexuals.
  8. DirtyDreamDesigner

    DirtyDreamDesigner Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 15, 2005
    Gaybasher Perk?
  9. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite

    May 18, 2003
    Kaczyński Perk.
  10. Xellos

    Xellos Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Feb 10, 2006
    Marvelous Wooz, Wierzejski should be there as well :D
  11. Rodriguez

    Rodriguez First time out of the vault

    Jun 20, 2007
    What was the name of that trait that pretty much said you slept with anything that moves?
  12. Lord Elden

    Lord Elden Still Mildly Glowing

    Apr 27, 2007
  13. freshmeat

    freshmeat First time out of the vault

    Jun 21, 2007
    Wether you agree with it or not, homosexuals exist, and homophobes exist. If done well it could add more depth to the game.

    While you're at it, add every spectrum of the rainbow. Toss in furries, bestiality, and pedophiles. Add in a Perv Hunter perk for offing them in droves. Or a Sexual Deviant perk if you allign yourself with them.
  14. EvgeniBuzov

    EvgeniBuzov First time out of the vault

    Dec 2, 2005
    I always found Fallout 1 and 2 as realistic as it could get. Even in Fallout 1 you could make numerous decisions which are so called 'evil'

    Im not even going to start the count of how much different choices the player had in Fallout 2. Only New-Reno by itself had a shitload of choices - bad and good.

    And especially if we compare FO with newer games, it will be quite clear to you why Fallout is still so highly respected and loved throughout many game communities and gamers.

    Sure the both titles could have been longer, better, harder and so and so on but every game has critics which always find something wrong about it.

    0_o didn't you just write that Fallout didn't have enough so called character choices and different spices to the game? Many ordinary folks find gay people evil and retarded. Well there ya'go! Fallout let's you hunt down and execute evil & retarded people :wink:
  15. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    Hey, is that "Most stupid Fallout 3 ideas" thread still active?
  16. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    You encounter:
    20 Furries looking for a human to rape.

  17. freshmeat

    freshmeat First time out of the vault

    Jun 21, 2007
    Meh. Way I figure, if I'm allowed to be a Childkiller, a Gigolo, and a Kama Sutra Master, then I don't really see any reason why I shouldn't be able to be a Sexual Deviant or a Perv Hunter either.
  18. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Jul 5, 2003
    There's a difference between putting things in for logical reasons (if the game has children, you should be allowed to kill them) and for reasons of shock and/or extremity.
  19. freshmeat

    freshmeat First time out of the vault

    Jun 21, 2007
    It's not about being extreme to the max by killing gays or sexual deviants any more than killing children was(not to mention you could get away with the former far easier than the latter). It's about presenting the player with two sides and letting them make the choice about wether or not they'd like to pull the trigger.

    Just because the media in the 50's liked to pretend there was no such thing as homosexuality or sexual deviancy doesn't mean they didn't exist, and a total collapse of society would only make that fact all the more evident. People who hate and want to hurt and kill such people are nothing new either. It's all old as mankind itself, and a dark underbelly of human nature that would only become all the more obvious in such a desperate setting.
  20. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Jul 5, 2003
    Er, no it isn't. The possibility to kill children existed because there were children in the game. It wasn't a heavily thought through move. If you put gays in the game, then, you should be able to kill them. But you shouldn't put gays in the game just so that people can kill them. That's the point.

    That's a pretty odd assumption, because it would be more likely that people would have to work together to survive.