More VB Concept Art

I remember now, i asked him once in a topic here at NMA but he never replied. Well here´s all kumquat got on the subject, a long time ago:
You would have heard rumors and stories about some
kind of trouble back in California, as well as a new
power out east. Naturally, it was all going to be a
setup for future Fallouts. Some elements, like members
of Caesar's Legion, were from the east. You'd see
small groups of these guys, but you wouldn't see their
true power until a sequel.
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I think he (Sawyer) mentioned it in a thread where there was a lot of discussion on the Mormon issue. Not sure, though.

In any case, I'd still love to know what the crisis in California and Caesar's Legion was all about.

Maybe the problems in California were caused by fallout from a headless Enclave?
 
lilfyffedawg said:
Kumquat... i was always curious how you were in the know here... you've known a lot since the game started but I don't reckon you as one of the chief mods of this site... how'd you get so in the in?
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Frankly, it's a long story, but I would say Briosafreak was nice enough to bring me "in the know". Thanks Bri! Tho if you ask a few certain someones they would say it's because I "kissed dev ass". I suppose both are true, tho I see it as a fine line between being nice and and a brown noser, eh..

Well, in reality, I know alot about a dead game, so I don't want to appear like I'm sitting on a high horse or something. I still find this stuff interesting tho, and thats why when I see something that someone asks about or mentions I post aomething about it. Others seem to as well.

So, if anyone has any questions, I'll do my best to answer them here. I'm sure Brios and such can chip in. I'm not holding info back on purpose, just kinda lazy, plus I've posted about most of this (C. Legion and such) before. So, a ton of stuff is there if you want to look.
 
Bradylama said:
I think he (Sawyer) mentioned it in a thread where there was a lot of discussion on the Mormon issue. Not sure, though.

In any case, I'd still love to know what the crisis in California and Caesar's Legion was all about.

Maybe the problems in California were caused by fallout from a headless Enclave?
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As for the problems back west, all I ever heard that could POSSIBLEY be related to that was that the PC of FO2 would be referred to "as a crazy trible stirring things up back west". So the fall of the Enclave could have something to do with it.

Tho it is worth noting that elements of NCR are in VB (Hoover Dam), and they lost contact with the rest of NCR. As far as teh mayor of the Hoover Dam knows, they are what is left of NCR. Not sure if there is a in-game reason for that (like raiders are secretly taking out their messengers or something) or if it's a reference to the problems out west. Your guess is as good as mine.

What I have on C.Legion is what I posted, which to say, isn't much. The only other thing I can remember is that there was a PNPC in the game named "The Hanged Man" that was just a complete bad ass. You actually find him while he is being hung from the neck, he is obviously still alive, and if you cut him down he joins you. He has burns and such all over, and is well known for doing all sorts of evil acts and would make it hard to deal with some of the towns. He had some dealings with the Legion, but from what I heard he didn't go to far into the details.

You have to remember tho, VB story wasn't even 100% final (well, the general story was, but the devils in the details), so the story for the Legion and back west were prolly VERY loose at best.


BTW, I don't think I have seen JE talk about the Legion, so please someone post that if they run across it.
 
Of course they'd be loose, but Caesar's Legion was developed enough to have a related PNPC and concept art.

Even if its a general idea, it'd still be nice to know exactly what it was.

Update: My bad on the Sawyer comment. He never said anything about Caesar's Legion. It was in fact kumquat who revealed most of the interesting story aspects such as the Legion, Hanged Man, and the Devil Dog.
 
Bradylama said:
Of course they'd be loose, but Caesar's Legion was developed enough to have a related PNPC and concept art.
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Point Taken


tho I just looked through the whole Mormon/JE thread and the word "Caesar" wasn't meantioned, as far as I can tell.


edit: seems you looked too
 
I have to agree with Fez. I would like to see all the material there is about VB. You can say that VB is dead and buried, so the material isn?t really anything any more. Just nice pictures, ideas and possibly suggestions to future fallout projects. ;)

Just give it all...give...give...give...give...




Ps. yup, I?m back.
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fatntastic idea of this "Caesar's Legion"

that woudl be the coolest nation in all of the fallout world
 
dev said:
fatntastic idea of this "Caesar's Legion"

that woudl be the coolest nation in all of the fallout world
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I find it more than a bit tacky. Using real-world denominations such as "Khans" adds a little instaflavour to the world, but it's more convenient for the designer than cooking up something entirely new, which could potentially be much cooler and more memorable. I am terminally bored with the endless shallow variations on the Celtic/Viking/Mongol/Roman/Whatever template civilizations in fantasy books; also cf. the discussion on real-world vs. made-up cults and religions in the Fallout world. Since I have a feeling Rosh is with me on this, you all lose! Bwahaha!

Oh, you were being sarcastic?
 
Per said:
I find it more than a bit tacky. Using real-world denominations such as "Khans" adds a little instaflavour to the world, but it's more convenient for the designer than cooking up something entirely new, which could potentially be much cooler and more memorable. I am terminally bored with the endless shallow variations on the Celtic/Viking/Mongol/Roman/Whatever template civilizations in fantasy books; also cf. the discussion on real-world vs. made-up cults and religions in the Fallout world. Since I have a feeling Rosh is with me on this, you all lose! Bwahaha!

Oh, you were being sarcastic?
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Naming them after a real world group is kinda lame but making a variation off of civilizations that arose in the real world seems perfectly logical. Hell, if the Vikings, Mongols, Huns and many others all acted as raider groups that preyed off of their neighbors, wouldn't it make sense that a similar group would arise in the Fallout world? I don't see it as a cheap shallow variation but more a simulation of what WOULD occur.

And not to ressurect the whole mormon debate but it seems logical to refer to real world groups that would have existed prior to the bomb. Isn't the Fallout world an extension of our own? If thats the case then these groups have existed in the past...
 
lilfyffedawg said:
Hell, if the Vikings, Mongols, Huns and many others all acted as raider groups that preyed off of their neighbors, wouldn't it make sense that a similar group would arise in the Fallout world?
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Similar group, surely. Group that adopts the same name and ready-made cultural trappings for no good reason, maybe. But that wasn't the point, either, was it? It's about design, not just plausibility.
 
Dove said:
Yeah, I'm not digging the chariot either, but the "dome suit" I'm assuming it's a space suit, is unbelievable. That is exactly what one of them would look like.
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It's a biohazard suit, actually.

Per said:
I find it more than a bit tacky. Using real-world denominations such as "Khans" adds a little instaflavour to the world, but it's more convenient for the designer than cooking up something entirely new, which could potentially be much cooler and more memorable.
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Or perhaps someone in-game knew about Caesar and modeled his army, philosophy, and culture about what he heard about this famous historical figure?

As an aside, I'm surprised with all the screenshots out there that nobody has leaked the demo area yet.
 
seankreynolds said:
As an aside, I'm surprised with all the screenshots out there that nobody has leaked the demo area yet.
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Hell, send it to me and I'll put it on NMA :wink:
 
seankreynolds said:
Or perhaps someone in-game knew about Caesar and modeled his army, philosophy, and culture about what he heard about this famous historical figure?
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Um, didn't I just say "It's about design, not just plausibility"?
 
Which reminds me, who were the Regulators named after? Any reference to the Richard Bachman novel intended?
 
The *demo* is 600 MB? Jeesh, what was the projected game size? 5 Gig?

Then again, with games these days...

And we could always set up a secure FTP transfer *hint hint nudge nudge*
 
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