Most hated cliché/trope in fiction

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Mr muggyman 3000, Oct 8, 2016.

  1. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    Of course words evolve over time. I just don't want it to evolve into whatever the fuck bucketheads think it should be. Like, does it simply mean "raging mindless one" at this point? Cause that would mean that a lot of slower moving zombies would stop being "zombies" in accordance to modern definition. I find that pointless and dumb. I'd rather be grumpy ol grandpa stuck in the past and call the bucketheads out on their shit. And it'd be different if slow moving zombies stopped appearing completely. Then one could argue that the word has "evolved" along with the modern times, but since both fast and slow moving ones are being produced and things like Rage Infected appear as well it is more of a broadening. Question is, where does it stop? I mean, a vampire is more like a zombie than a Rage Infected is. Do we call them zombies? Is it cause they've lost their minds? Does that mean that the lunatics from the comics Crossed or the crazy people from The Crazies are zombies? If vampires aren't zombies because they are intelligent does that mean that the female strippers in Zombie Strippers aren't zombies? Does it mean that the zombies from Revenge Of The Living Dead who can speak and know what they are doing aren't zombies?

    It's like RPG's. The term becomes so broad at some point that it is meaningless. I like it when things are more easily definable.
    Whatever, I've digressed enough as it is when it comes to this subject. I guess it'll be ruined just like everything else I care for. Cause why the fuck not. Fuck up everything. Even a term. Ain't enough "RPG" got spread so wide it split in two... (Not bitter at all about zombies being ruined by people who don't got a clue about what makes that setting good in the first place and I'm certainly not bitter that 28 Days Later is listed in List Of Zombie Films on wikipedia. Nah. Not bitter at all...)

    So on topic again:
    I can't stand in vampire films how the vampires are such incompetent dunces when it comes to dealing with the protagonists. Oh it is the usual "they are feeling superior and want to just toy with thier little snack before drinking it" but you can't keep pulling the fucking "arrogance"-card every god damn time.

    Goes back to the whole "villain giving a speech" trope I suppose. Gotta have bad exposition.
     
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  2. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Zombies: Unrealistic magical bullshit that people actually taken seriously (in the setting). It's fucking magic.
    Infected: Somewhat plausible 'zombies' that make some kind of sense.

    Give me infected anyday. There is literally no way you can do zombies well unless the world is fantasy.
     
  3. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    All fiction is unrealistic bullshit. Specially when it concerns Zombies. At least with magic you can fill in the holes in logic with magic. Even virus explanations require to ignore a lot of actual science and biology, if you go for it with the pretense of making your zombies seem plausible you are straight up being pretentious, unless you go so hard scifi that your Virus zombies just end up as people suffering from extreme malaria that get quarantined in a swiftly manner.
     
  4. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Its really best to not even address the origins of your zombie plague. Because let's face it everything about zombies is unrealistic. Biting is a terrible way to spread disease. The first thing to rot would be there eyes. Leaving them blind. They already have no sense of direction. Falloing off cliffs. Think about how many natural predators they have. They rot faster in hot climates. Become immobile in cold climates. So so much wrong with zombies. Best to just straight up not address it.
     
  5. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    The aim is to sound plausible. If you can sound plausible at first glance, have a cookie. But the idea of zombies in a modern setting makes no sense, especially as zombies are literally dead people up again. It's necromancy but away from it's more excusable fantasy cousin.
     
  6. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Urban Fantasy exists. You can still do magic in a modern setting.
     
  7. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    :puke:
    I mean sure, you can but it's usually shitty and full of angsty teenagers.
     
  8. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    You don't know what Urban Fantasy is then...

    Quick someone tell Neil Gaiman he is a shit writter, Urban fantasy is all terrible.
     
  9. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Then what is it? Because those books do count as Urban fantasy.
     
  10. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    It's Fantasy that takes place in a modern setting, usually Urban. I would imagine the name of the genre would give that away but apparently not.

    I guess Fables is about angtsy teenagers and a shit story, not the award winning influential work it is. And Neil Gaiman sucks hard too, Urban Fantasy has nothing good.
     
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  11. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    I know that, but I first thought of Harry Potter, then cringy teen fiction.

    Finally, someone sees!
     
  12. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Small reference pool much?
     
  13. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Dude I was joking. Even though Terry Pratchet did more, I loved the Discworld series.
     
  14. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

    294
    May 3, 2016
    One my biggest problem with zombies story's. Is that no body ever wears long sleeve shirts/hoodies/gloves,and scarfs to cover as much skin as possible to prevent getting bit. The walking dead really suffers from this trope
    80% percent of deaths in that show could've been prevented if they just put a dam hoodie/jacket on.

    Another trope I hate is when a superhero doesn't want the "evil government" to recreate the serum that gave them powers, even though it could cure every disease known to man.

    I also hate when superheroes can't kill because "it's not their place to choose who lives and dies" but cops/soldiers,and people shooting trespassers on their land are allowed to choose? It's a cheap gimmick so the writers don't have to think of new villains every issue
     
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  15. cordelionreaver

    cordelionreaver Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    306
    Nov 29, 2015
     
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  16. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Hoddies and shit are easier to grab. And don't tell me a zombie can't bite through a hoodie.
     
  17. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Can you bite through a hoodie? Now imagine your face muscles are rotting.
     
  18. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Yes. With time. Now say you've been pulled into a horde by your hoodie. Now I don't need time. A zombie or two is likely to get a bit in.
     
  19. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    With time, this assumes you are just going to stay put waiting for them to bite through it.

    Altho I guess staying there waiting to get slowly killed by a thing that shouldn't even be able to hold it's own weight is very much the level of intelligence everyone in a Zombie story usually displays.


    One thing i am really sick of is Superheroes, like straight up bored of them, they were a nice returning fad but now people are taking them way too seriously while embracing the most mindless type of hero fiction.
     
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  20. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

    294
    May 3, 2016
    Fair point but having some protection on your arms is better then having no protection.