Muuuuuuuslim Baaaaaan! But don't call it that!

[CaptJ]

Also, @CaptJ, you seem bothered by the idea of acknowledged widespread racism. What do you think being a racist requires? Just curious what your goalposts are for a person to be racist in your view that it's so offensive America has a lot of them.

1. I need proof that a significant portion of Americans are racist and it has a significant effect on their actions.
2. Institutional or structural racism isn't something that you claim lightly.
3. Making assumptions based your own word association game isn't healthy.

What? Do you know who Sander is?

A guy running for President of the USA whose solution for everything seems to be an ambiguous tax the 1%.

Aaaah! Sorry about that. NO clue how I mixed that one up! :/

Maybe something with the website.

 

[TheGM]

Ah yes how could we forget European colonialism which happened 800 years ago right? Oh wait no it didn't it ended in the fucking 70's.

And?

Christians going into Africa and North America and completely erasing the cultures and languages of those places.

GAH DAMN EUROPEANS BURSTING INTO OUR NOTHING.....leaving behind civilization.

I just get a kick out people using that little quote about what happened 800 as a way to hand wave bad shit happening now and there never ending search of equivalencies. but just remember kids.

Muslims colonize Africa = Sweetman.
Europeans colonize Africa = Racist assholes.

 

[MutantScalper]

A guy running for President of the USA whose solution for everything seems to be an ambiguous tax the 1%.

No he's a mod here on NMA. Banned me once for I still don't know why. Just as a kind of warning to all you nazi-monkey noobs running around.

 

[CT Phipps]

And?

GAH DAMN EUROPEANS BURSTING INTO OUR NOTHING.....leaving behind civilization.

I just get a kick out people using that little quote about what happened 800 as a way to hand wave bad shit happening now and there never ending search of equivalencies. but just remember kids.

Muslims colonize Africa = Sweetman.
Europeans colonize Africa = Racist assholes.

I also note there's an infantalizing narrative in condemning missionary work which pisses me off. There's no doubt many missionaries came to Africa and other regions with a forced conversion technique or racist narrative. Stupid stuff like trying to make people wear clothes or denying them membership in the priesthood. Certainly, the slave trade was justified with Christianity this way.

However, voluntary conversion happens all the time and is singularly one of the most common things in the world. Also the idea of Africans being forced to convert to Christianity is kind of a broad stroke given....oh, the oldest continuing church in the world is in Ethiopia from the first century B.C. onward. There was some penetration into the continent before the 19th century.

Either way, adult African men and women can choose their own religion as has always been the case. In places where people have been forced to worship, they tend to not actually be sincere. Why cults and religions fall apart in these places often (but not always).

There's also a good point that religion often spreads in places where people's native culture is treating them like shit. India has a massive grudge against Islam in its borders but part of the reason it got a massive hold at the start was the people at the bottom of the caste system heard "universal equality and brotherhood" and went "fuck this shit. I'm with these guys."

And?

GAH DAMN EUROPEANS BURSTING INTO OUR NOTHING.....leaving behind civilization.

Eh, about the only thing Europe did positive in Africa was leave behind trains. They didn't come for the purpose of spreading civilization but looting the place ala conquistidors. Some places were softer than others but some were considered monstrous by the standards of the 19th century. There's a reason HG Wells, JRR Tolkien, and Joseph Conrad all hated the British Empire.

There's some "you couldn't do a show about this shit and no one would believe it" too like the entire story of Rhodesia.

 

[therealyesman]

Why isn't Saudi Arabia in this list? That King-sucker of a guy has like 200 wives, 5,000 children, or was that the guy who died in 2015? No fucking MATTER. He is everything the U.S is not, an insult to humanity, and a slap to the face to democracy.

To actually believe some in that countries support the King and asked people to 'be respectful' when the 90 year old died of some sex syndrome I hope, forcing the people to mourn for him (North Korea anyone).

What's most interesting, is that I've seen pictures of women, like the Queen of Britain and Hillary Clinton with the King in Saudi-Arabia without any headscarf, but if some Saudi woman does that, she will be whipped on the streets, and raped, and then imprisoned for being raped, because you were showing of some hair, which just makes some men horny.

Speaking of horny, did anyone see that video with some respected muslim doctor talking about why women most sit in the back, because men can't control themselves by watching a woman's back without getting the Holy Boner.

At the same time, Trumpy Boy choose to ban people from countries which have done almost zero terrorism, but Saudi Arabia WHICH ACTUALLY IS AN ISLAMIC STATE. WAHHABISM. DO YOU SPEAK IT?

But let's turn the other cheek, sucking on the teats of the king, whilst the women have the same amount of rights as slaves did in the 1700's and suck on their oil, while they build gold toilets, teaching children that christians, Shia's(hahahaahahah they are muslims too but fuck em'), and women should be executed.

That is my greatest annoyance with the Trumps ban. Not that he actually does it, but who he does it against. If one go down, for the love of Steven, TAKE EVERYONE DOWN WITH IT!

Wanna know some more of God's Land of Rapists? There you go:


(I must conclude that I come from a Shia family, but I have 'left' for atheism, only leaving for religious reasons, I don't believe in any of it, so trust me, I know muslims can be peaceful, so I'm pretty much attacking Saudi Arabia and King whathisface. also those that don't believe in democracy and believe that women have no rights, if you do so i hope you get castrated and then be met by 72 virgins who end up being horny gay guys who you excecuted. goodbye)

 

[CT Phipps]

I kind of alluded to it earlier, @therealyesman but Saudi Arabia is considered a threat and backward state by many parts of the Middle East as well as the perpetual shit-stirrer. Iraq and Iran have both longstanding hatred of the United States. But dictatorship and political repression aside, you could probably live a normal life there. Which is ignoring all the other places you could.

Not so much in SA.

 

[therealyesman]

I kind of alluded to it earlier, @therealyesman but Saudi Arabia is considered a threat and backward state by many parts of the Middle East as well as the perpetual shit-stirrer. Iraq and Iran have both longstanding hatred of the United States. But dictatorship and political repression aside, you could probably live a normal life there. Which is ignoring all the other places you could.

Not so much in SA.

Saudi Arabia isn't a threat to the United States, they are much stronger, and with a man like Donald, they wouldn't dare to bluff. They have almost zero alliances besides ISIS and the other casual Islamic State, but ISIS is close to defeated, and they can only hit the U.S from inside. A direct war will be an annihilation of Saudi Arabia, and Russia will not help them, because why would they. They will gain nothing, and Russia will lose.

It's beyond me the U.S are such pussies, when they barely 10 years earlier declared a war against a raging maniac like Saddam Hussain who actually conquered his throne, while King Fish just inherited it.

 

[TheGM]

Fucking Kuwaitis banned Muslims from entering their country. Who thought that Kuwait was such a racist country?
http://www.albawaba.com/editorchoic...isa-ban-five-muslim-majority-countries-932174

 

[therealyesman]

Fucking Kuwaitis banned Muslims from entering their country. Who thought that Kuwait was such a racist country?
http://www.albawaba.com/editorchoic...isa-ban-five-muslim-majority-countries-932174

I was about to applaude them, until I saw which countries. Where are the Oil Countries Kuwait? Where are all the countries which you can trade with, Kuwait?

Oh wait, that's right. Kuwait is a selfish greedy dictatorship like the rest of them. Just gonna pick on the poorer ones.

 

[CT Phipps]

Fucking Kuwaitis banned Muslims from entering their country. Who thought that Kuwait was such a racist country?
http://www.albawaba.com/editorchoic...isa-ban-five-muslim-majority-countries-932174

Yeah, it's pretty damn racist.

Then again, I note American racism isn't the only form of it in the world. Go to Japan and ask who the Master Race of Earth is.

 

[valcik]

No he's a mod here on NMA.

He's co-owner of this site for quite some time actually.
Also, that brown sticky substance covering Vuk's nose originates from his asscrack.

 

[BigGuyCIA]

I also note there's an infantalizing narrative in condemning missionary work which pisses me off. There's no doubt many missionaries came to Africa and other regions with a forced conversion technique or racist narrative. Stupid stuff like trying to make people wear clothes or denying them membership in the priesthood. Certainly, the slave trade was justified with Christianity this way.

However, voluntary conversion happens all the time and is singularly one of the most common things in the world. Also the idea of Africans being forced to convert to Christianity is kind of a broad stroke given....oh, the oldest continuing church in the world is in Ethiopia from the first century B.C. onward. There was some penetration into the continent before the 19th century.

Either way, adult African men and women can choose their own religion as has always been the case. In places where people have been forced to worship, they tend to not actually be sincere. Why cults and religions fall apart in these places often (but not always).

There's also a good point that religion often spreads in places where people's native culture is treating them like shit. India has a massive grudge against Islam in its borders but part of the reason it got a massive hold at the start was the people at the bottom of the caste system heard "universal equality and brotherhood" and went "fuck this shit. I'm with these guys."



Eh, about the only thing Europe did positive in Africa was leave behind trains. They didn't come for the purpose of spreading civilization but looting the place ala conquistidors. Some places were softer than others but some were considered monstrous by the standards of the 19th century. There's a reason HG Wells, JRR Tolkien, and Joseph Conrad all hated the British Empire.

There's some "you couldn't do a show about this shit and no one would believe it" too like the entire story of Rhodesia.

There's something deeply fucked up about proselytizing people in the manner that Christian missionaries do. Missionaries showed up in Haiti and start preaching that this was their fault (the earthquake).

 

[CT Phipps]

There's something deeply fucked up about proselytizing people in the manner that Christian missionaries do. Missionaries showed up in Haiti and start preaching that this was their fault (the earthquake).

Yeah, there's always been a lot of holier than there assholes in religion. There's also a lot of racist missionaries. What I object to is the idea that missionary work is innately racist and that people who covert are somehow losing their culture.

 

[DarkCorp]

I know this is a bit late but......

CT

Bernie panders rhetoric was vastly different from most democratic candidates, which makes sense as he had always been an independent at heart.

If you look at the platforms of democratic candidates before him, none have gone as hardcore lefty as him, especially in using the populist weapon of free shit. This is why I call him an extremist. He is an independent at heart, that is what allows him to make such outrageous promises. He knows he could never make good on them as he has no political allies in DC but the gullible are always willing to give him money.

To say what works in Canada and in Europe would work here in the states is completely asinine. As I have pointed out COUNTLESS times before, and how this election and all those salty lefties have PROVEN, is that we are different. We are different in population size, in culture, in terms of health status, etc. We have a fuck ton of fat asses and those who simply do not give a flying fuck about their health. All this talk about 'food deserts'? If one is too stupid to figure out how to get to a supermarket a couple miles away then I really do not know what to say.

Our college system is vastly different compared to that of Europe, which I elaborated on in other threads. This is primarily in no campus culture, no living on campus as Europes infrastructure is much more efficient due to their much smaller population. Their colleges have less choice, preferring to focus on the primary important things instead of offering lots of 'useless' degrees. They do not have sports programs in college as their professional teams have and recruit from their own academies. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Fact is, unless we reform the fuck out of our higher education system and eliminate all the un-necessary shit like pools, rock climbing walls, new dorms, etc, college will REMAIN expensive as fuck. College is a place to learn, not to fuck around.

As I sad before even Bill Maher, a noted lefty, ripped him to shreds on TV about how that 1 percent speculation tax would be NOWHERE near enough for all the 'free shit', he preaches on and on about.


Bernie Sanders has been and still is a fool. He is a shady as fuck opportunist who is willing to say and do anything as long as it gets him elected, as this election clearly showed. He gladly backed Hillary Clinton, much to the chagrin of his progressive support base.

In the beginning, it was the GOP that was torn in half, while the Dems were solid and united. Bernie Sanders brought al that down by riling up his supporters with all his free shit promises, anti-establishment rhetoric, pro BLM stance, etc. When he lost, his progressives completely abandoned the dems causing a rift that continues to widen.

 

[CT Phipps]

I know this is a bit late but......

CT *SNIP*

The fact Bernie would not be able to deliver on his promises is an easily understood concept simply on the fact the President of the United States is not a King and the Democratic party (even if it were in charge of Congress as well as Senate) remains firmly rooted in its neo-con bullshit. There is no magic wand which will magically change America into a socialist European-style nation.

However, the simple fact is America's privatization obsessed pro-unlimited capitalism attitude is backward and entirely driven by America's Robber Barons which have since grown into Undead Megacorp Chaos Gods. Things like corporate personage and the slow consolidation of the United States' economy into a series of a hundred or so super-companies stretching across international lines have warped the economy as well as democratic system. This isn't actually a new thing and the United States could learn from the fact the British government went through this exact same thing.

I'm actually a strong proponent of the capitalist system under controlled grounds because the PRODUCTION of wealth is important. Too often people talk about equalizing wealth versus creating more of it. The United States and its BSOL is proof that's a good thing as well as for China for all of their repressive practices are living a much better life than before.

HOWEVER, the Republican party has been since the Nineties in a ridiculous overdrive of deregulation and pie-in-the-sky bullshit which removes protection after protection of people from corporations as well as making it more difficult for them to profit in the capitalist system. The companies pay 5% of taxes versus the 1940s when they paid 95%. That's just fucked up and one of the reasons why Trump's rhetoric appealed to sane people and he won the election.

People took him at his word that he'd put back some regulation and....well, there's clearly not going to be any.

The only thing Bernie really is good for is the fact he is one of the few times a prominent politician has arisen who is forcing the Democrats left versus the Clintons' asinine constant moving of the party to the center. Obama tried what Bill did, which was VERY MUCH move the party to the Center, and thankfully got nothing but scorn for it from the Republicans. That, at least, taught him compromise is pointless when the other side has no desire for it.

Bernie as the Extremist Left pulls the Democrats closer back to their working class, "For the people' roots than the limousine liberal bullshit they've been trapped by for....well, decades. Sadly, he's seemingly the ONLY one interested in trying to do so.

Edit:

Our college system is vastly different compared to that of Europe, which I elaborated on in other threads. This is primarily in no campus culture, no living on campus as Europes infrastructure is much more efficient due to their much smaller population. Their colleges have less choice, preferring to focus on the primary important things instead of offering lots of 'useless' degrees. They do not have sports programs in college as their professional teams have and recruit from their own academies. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Fact is, unless we reform the fuck out of our higher education system and eliminate all the un-necessary shit like pools, rock climbing walls, new dorms, etc, college will REMAIN expensive as fuck. College is a place to learn, not to fuck around.

I worked in the college system until this year and understand quite a bit of the fucked up nature of the system. Just a short list of things which are designed to fuck with the system.

* College sports exists to make the colleges ridiculously wealthy and not pay the athletes.
* For-profit universities don't give a shit if you actually take anything useful
* American research in sciences is heavily politicized with corporations scooping up anything valuable.
* The entire GPA system punishes people who actually want to learn by kicking those to a curb who don't follow their standards or retake classes.
* American government loans to students have become fucking loan sharkery.

Academia is a fucking swamp to drain.

As I sad before even Bill Maher, a noted lefty, ripped him to shreds on TV about how that 1 percent speculation tax would be NOWHERE near enough for all the 'free shit', he preaches on and on about.

Bill Maher is, in my mind, kind of the personification of rich entitled white men mansplaining about how progressive they are to minorities and the general public while also neither understanding the issues and condescending to minorities/religious folk/rural Americans. Bernie has his flaws but Maher is as close to a straw caricature of the Left as you'll find in an actual position. I'd rather spend time with Keith Olberman than Bill.

Basically, the guy the term "limousine liberal" was coined to define.

 

[Crni Vuk]

I know this is a bit late but......

CT

Bernie panders rhetoric was vastly different from most democratic candidates, which makes sense as he had always been an independent at heart.

If you look at the platforms of democratic candidates before him, none have gone as hardcore lefty as him, especially in using the populist weapon of free shit. This is why I call him an extremist.

For US-American standards, yes. But not when it comes to pretty much the rest of teh world. Like most of Europe, where Bernie would be actually nothing more but a 'normal' Politican - the free shit stuff that people say about him, is the standard in many European nations, like Norway, Sweden, France, Britain, Germany and so on. - Economical and political powerhouses no less.
The fact that the US is now literaly rulled by millionairs and billionairs covering a lot of positions in the office, pretty much shows that it is closer than ever to an oligarchy and kleptocracy. At this point, the US has almost more in common with Russia than Europe.
But, you can NOT say that the people voting for Trump havn't been warned about his picks for the government.

The US has massive debts, and in most cases it features a lot less public services compared to nations like Germany or France when it comes to health care, education and other public services, like transportation or the infrastructure, yet, somehow you always hear this argument that 'Europeans are nanny states that can not handle money and manage finances', look at how much debt they have! Well, at least we're spending it on people, at least a fraction of it, where as the US government is doing nothing but starting wars and throwing a large portion of their budged at the military - and sadly, not even in a very effective way, considering how much is wasted on rather useless projects. But they continue to complain about fraud in wellfare that if compared to teh fraud in the military budged, isn't even 0,1% of the money.

 

[CT Phipps]

Some of the things I actually agree with are the fact Trump questions the role of America as the global peacekeeper. As nasty as many people hate America and how arbitrary that force has been applied, there's certainly been many nations who have benefited from the Pax Americana (name chosen for maximum irony values).

Massive amounts of American money is spent for the purposes of maintaining its military global hegemony as well as the fact we're occupying, I shit you not 143 countries in the world at present.

Boggles the mind.

Another massive portion of American money is spent pushing forth its transnational multicorps. Again, part of the global hegemony of culture as envisioned by Reagan and using them as tools to maintain the PA in a way which Nixon really was a major proponent in starting.

When Truman warned of the Military Industrial Complex, he inspired many conspiracy nuts but he was wrong as it wasn't the MILITARY which came to take over American foreign policy *AND* domestic but ALL major corporations. More suffering has been caused in Latin America by America's need for bannanas to eat and cocaine to snort than America's need to sell bombs.

Need we also say oil.

It works as a system, to a certain extent, but it's walking the line of colonialism with all the failures as America's own economy is suffering for the fact it's all projected outward and to a tiny minority of the super-super-rich's benefit. It's also SLOWLY failing as China is right now propping up the House of Cards which the PA economy has become.

Edit:

Withdrawing even a little from this losing proposition can also have devastating effects. Anyone been paying attention to Venezuela lately? A country which was one of the most prosperous in South America? Now completely gone to shit? All because America found a shit ton of oil and started fracking (which is awful for the environment). This despite how much the previous leadership hated America.

 

[Crni Vuk]

I really believe that future generations, like in 70 or 100 years will look back at us today, and ask them self if we're stupid, if we had actually a sane mind - particularly about our leaders and the elites today, which is made up of billionairs and millionairs and actually making the REAL decisions.

Future generations might look back on us like we do on slavery and slave owners from the 18th and 19th century today. We are looking at so many issues that will hit us between the next 25 and 70 years. Not just ecological like from climate change, but also economical like automatition, which is a problem that hasn't even been MENTIONED yet by big politics.

Spoiler: Humans need not apply.

We're moving full force into a new revolution as far as automatition goes, and some say that roughly half of the jobs in western socities and highly developed nations might dissapear in the next 30 or 40 years. - watch the video in the spoiler.
And yet, with a lot of the knowledge about both the ecological and economical changes that loom at the horizon, we are wasting not only our time but a lot of resources on 'stuff' that will play absolutely zero rolle in the future. Every challange we are facing today, could be on paper, solved already now, the technology IS already there, we have alternatives for plastic, oil, gas you name it, in almost every area of our live. The issue, is a political one.

 

[CT Phipps]

Basically, we're reaching the point when the majority of humans will not need to work save by cultural inertia.

We should be okay with that rather than disdain it.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Tell that to the average European or American that has moved trough an intrinsic system, where people are conditioned for performance and where you essentially are an extension of your 'job', and where your income, your qualification and your job occupation often determines your social status and your value as human beeing, be it either for society or other people.
Just tell someone that you're not interested in working and a job and how little money plays a role for you, and see their faces drop.
The school system we have in place today, isn't teaching people because 'learning' is fun and understanding the world around you is exciting, or because educated people are something valuable, but to make sure that people can get jobs in a job based society, because people without a job, are simply 'less' worth to most peole around them.
The idea of better education = better situation was something that I believed as well. But it might turn out, that your education matters very little in the future, if machines can simply do a better job at a fraction of the cost. Even doctors! And we're slowly getting there.

I am afraid, to change that, you would have to start at the school system, at the bottom, teaching people values that play absolutely no rolle in our current money and efficiency based societies, and where almost everyone right now will laugh at you and call you a leftist lunatic that has no knowledge about economy. Like the idea of a basic income for example a very controversial topic in Europe, leave alone the US that is still 'debating' what ever if every american should have access to affordable health care provided by the state/government.