New Gamers Suck

[Mr Fish]

I know that there are many definitions of "fun" but there is only one "true" fun. When you laugh and/or have a good time.

Nnnnno.
I like horror games, I don't play them for a "good time" or to laugh. I play them to cleanse my bladder and colon.

 

[Vanguardbr]

Eh, I honestly don't enjoy competitive play all that much. When I play multiplayer I vastly prefer co-op.

What makes me like competitive games, is that I think we will never have a AI as formidable as a human opponent. So for example, game give us a set of very well thought mechanics in a "capture the flag" scenario. Humans will use the mechanics in a mix of effective/creative/fun/unpredictable way that computer AI can't simulate properly, that makes the game more fun to me. Not saying that there aren't fun bots in some games, but its very different from a human.

Not to mention that, if you don't take seriously what people say in these games, sometimes the salt is very funny as well. Problems is general toxicity. Sometimes competitiveness makes people crazy.

I don't know about co-op, the ones I played I found rather shitty tbh, that was L4D and Killing Floor 2, never had much interest in these kind of games. One can say that team based competitive games has a strong cooperative element. Insurgency is very fun in this aspect imo.

 

[Brahmin Noodles]

What makes me like competitive games, is that I think we will never have a AI as formidable as a human opponent. So for example, game give us a set of very well thought mechanics in a "capture the flag" scenario. Humans will use the mechanics in a mix of effective/creative/fun/unpredictable way that computer AI can't simulate properly, that makes the game more fun to me. Not saying that there aren't fun bots in some games, but its very different from a human.

Not to mention that, if you don't take seriously what people say in these games, sometimes the salt is very funny as well. Problems is general toxicity. Sometimes competitiveness makes people crazy.

I don't know about co-op, the ones I played I found rather shitty tbh, that was L4D and Killing Floor 2, never had much interest in these kind of games. One can say that team based competitive games has a strong cooperative element. Insurgency is very fun in this aspect imo.

Good points, I think my thing is I just tend to shy away from multiplayer type games. TBH, I'm quite sure why. Also, yeah I played L4D once with a friend. Didn't really enjoy it too much. Then again, maybe that was because it was like 5 am I hadn't gotten any sleep that night.

 

[Vanguardbr]

Good points, I think my thing is I just tend to shy away from multiplayer type games. TBH, I'm quite sure why. Also, yeah I played L4D once with a friend. Didn't really enjoy it too much. Then again, maybe that was because it was like 5 am I hadn't gotten any sleep that night.

Chivalry is always on sales, take a look at it man, very fun and inovative game. The melee mechanics are a amazing idea that in my opinion, made all other games melee mechanics bland and boring, like Skyrim, Fallout etc.

Be aware though, since the mechanics are something very new and there are few limitations to it, you will see veterans using it in a very.. peculiar way. If you can tolerate that, and the high as fuck skill ceiling, its a great multiplayer game.

 

[Mr Fish]

I finished reading the first post.
I don't get it.

New gamers suck because they aren't like you? Is that what I'm supposed to take away from this?
Like, you don't get to define what "fun" is to other people.
You don't get to tell me that playing a game hyper-seriously isn't 'fun' for 'me'.
I do agree that escapism can be a problem for some people but I fail to see what that has to do with "seriousness" or 'new gamers' in particular.
Some gamers also want to enjoy a game but also want to get it over with so they can move on to other things. That doesn't mean they don't enjoy the game, it's just that they won't stop along the road every time they see a new flower so they can kneel down and smell it. They don't care about finding out every little teensy secret in the game and moving it along at a snail pace. They want to enjoy the game in their own way and in doing so they end up completing it faster than others. That doesn't mean that they aren't enjoying the game in their own way. I have a backlog of over a hundred games. When I decide to play some of them then even I get into this mentally of "I'll enjoy it on its own merits but I'm also planning to get this fucking thing over with". Doesn't mean I speed through it but I'm not going to loiter around scratching my ass either.

And you know what? If I play Left 4 Dead online then I 'want' serious players who aren't going to end up getting us all killed because they just want to goof around.

Ultimately, I don't get the point of this rant. New gamers suck. Why? Because they take shit too seriously? Because 'some' of them are allowing their escapism to take control over their lives? Because some of them want to enjoy 12 hours out of a game in comparison to your 70? Because they aren't having the kind of 'fun' that 'you' think is the 'real fun'?

I just don't get it. I've read it two times and I skimmed a third and I still don't get the point. Where does it all lead, all those digressions, what conclusive whole do they make that encapsulates the title of "new gamers suck"? Cause I ain't seeing it. I just see a rant without direction that fizzles out into incomprehension.

Then again when I think of "new gamers" I think of kids, and kids are loud obnoxious entitled little shits so if we go by 'my' view of "new gamers" then they most definitely suck.

 

[Brahmin Noodles]

Chivalry is always on sales, take a look at it man, very fun and inovative game. The melee mechanics are a amazing idea that in my opinion, made all other games melee mechanics bland and boring, like Skyrim, Fallout etc.

Be aware though, since the mechanics are something very new and there are few limitations to it, you will see veterans using it in a very.. peculiar way. If you can tolerate that, and the high as fuck skill ceiling, its a great multiplayer game.

Thanks, I'll take a look at it.

 

[yrogerg]

I finished reading the first post.
I don't get it.

New gamers suck because they aren't like you? Is that what I'm supposed to take away from this?
Like, you don't get to define what "fun" is to other people.

I didn't want to be absolute. Sorry, if you took it that way.

You don't get to tell me that playing a game hyper-seriously isn't 'fun' for 'me'.
I do agree that escapism can be a problem for some people but I fail to see what that has to do with "seriousness" or 'new gamers' in particular.
Some gamers also want to enjoy a game but also want to get it over with so they can move on to other things. That doesn't mean they don't enjoy the game, it's just that they won't stop along the road every time they see a new flower so they can kneel down and smell it. They don't care about finding out every little teensy secret in the game and moving it along at a snail pace. They want to enjoy the game in their own way and in doing so they end up completing it faster than others. That doesn't mean that they aren't enjoying the game in their own way. I have a backlog of over a hundred games. When I decide to play some of them then even I get into this mentally of "I'll enjoy it on its own merits but I'm also planning to get this fucking thing over with". Doesn't mean I speed through it but I'm not going to loiter around scratching my ass either.

I feel some times like that as well. Though most of the games I will play like that, I wont play them again.

And you know what? If I play Left 4 Dead online then I 'want' serious players who aren't going to end up getting us all killed because they just want to goof around.

For sure some games just cant be played if you are fooling around.

Ultimately, I don't get the point of this rant. New gamers suck. Why? Because they take shit too seriously? Because 'some' of them are allowing their escapism to take control over their lives? Because some of them want to enjoy 12 hours out of a game in comparison to your 70? Because they aren't having the kind of 'fun' that 'you' think is the 'real fun'?

Honestly, I just wanted to say that we need to get more active. Also 7 hours would be the most time I will sit behind a screen, since I get bored to easily.

I just don't get it. I've read it two times and I skimmed a third and I still don't get the point. Where does it all lead, all those digressions, what conclusive whole do they make that encapsulates the title of "new gamers suck"? Cause I ain't seeing it. I just see a rant without direction that fizzles out into incomprehension.

Then again when I think of "new gamers" I think of kids, and kids are loud obnoxious entitled little shits so if we go by 'my' view of "new gamers" then they most definitely suck.

My main point of this "rant".