New Gamers Suck

[Millim]

Yeah, people can like whatever they want in a game really.
Most people aren't complaining about new gamers as such, but rather that new games are being dumbed down to attract a broader audience.
The problem isn't with the audience but with the games themselves.
What makes it a shame, is that companies have no faith that people will enjoy their games if they are too smart.
But we've seen this poven false time and time again, just look at how popular New Vegas was and still is.
If companies thought of their audience better, then maybe they could think abit more critically about the games they play.

 

[yrogerg]

Didn't read the entire thing. Wall of text. And when I got to your "true" definition of fun I realized it'd be pointless to read further.

You have no idea what other people consider fun.

Then please enlighten me. What do you consider fun?

 

[PossibleCabbage]

I disagree that games must, above and beyond all, be "fun". I think this is an overly limited view of the medium. Perhaps games were once upon a time all about having a light-hearted time, but growing out of that is an important part of the evolution of the medium. No one would say a movie or a book must be about laughing and smiling else it's done wrong, many of those things aim for sad, or unsettling, or scary, or elucidating and we judge them based primarily on whether or not they accomplished their aim.

I mean horror games, a good horror game that's not an action game aspires first and foremost to frighten you. You might enjoy being scared, but that's an ancillary response to "the game tries to scare you." A horror game succeeds based on whether or not it's scary, not on whether or not you enjoy being scared.

 

[yrogerg]

I disagree that games must, above and beyond all, be "fun". I think this is an overly limited view of the medium. Perhaps games were once upon a time all about having a light-hearted time, but growing out of that is an important part of the evolution of the medium. No one would say a movie or a book must be about laughing and smiling else it's done wrong, many of those things aim for sad, or unsettling, or scary, or elucidating and we judge them based primarily on whether or not they accomplished their aim.

I mean horror games, a good horror game that's not an action game aspires first and foremost to frighten you. You might enjoy being scared, but that's an ancillary response to "the game tries to scare you." A horror game succeeds based on whether or not it's scary, not on whether or not you enjoy being scared.

Well, yeah. You are right but I didn't touch the genres of the games. I just said that people shouldn't take the games seriously.

 

[Greentoast11]

I don't think they suck, I think it's being streamlined in order to sell more copies. And evidently most gamers are casual. This sucks.

Personally anyway when I play Battlefield 1942(Yeah great game wisn't it) with my friends, We do smile and have a fun time. Because driving tanks and leading airstrikes is just blind fun. Laughter ensues.

For example when I play Baldurs Gate. I don't really smile. I enjoy it about as much but it's a different enjoyment. It's a challenge and reward enjoyment.

I would actually disagree with your statement that games are losing the 'Laugthter + smiles ' factor, Fallout 4 is a theme park . Designed to give laughter and smiles and this appeals to a much larger audience of 'New Gamers'

 

[yrogerg]

Personally anyway when I play Battlefield 1942(Yeah great game wisn't it) with my friends, We do smile and have a fun time. Because driving tanks and leading airstrikes is just blind fun. Laughter ensues.

F4 actually has some sense of humor.

Personally anyway when I play Battlefield 1942(Yeah great game wisn't it) with my friends, We do smile and have a fun time. Because driving tanks and leading airstrikes is just blind fun. Laughter ensues.

You always have fun when you are with friends

 

[Greentoast11]

F4 actually has some sense of humor.



You always have fun when you are with friends

Not really, Try playing ESO with friends and it really isn't that good

Fallout 4 is a themepark and sure by your definition 'fun' but that doesn't make it a great game in my view. Just a themepark.

 

[Brahmin Noodles]

You always have fun when you are with friends

Not really. I mean, a shit game is a shit game whether you play it with friends or not. For example, playing Borderlands, I hated it. I thought it was a boring shoot 'n loot. I thought playing with friends could make the experience better, but it was still the same boring shoot 'n loot.

 

[yrogerg]

Not really. I mean, a shit game is a shit game whether you play it with friends or not. For example, playing Borderlands, I hated it. I thought it was a boring shoot 'n loot. I thought playing with friends could make the experience better, but it was still the same boring shoot 'n loot.

Try trolling a bit. I am sure you will see difference.

 

[Izak]

Having fun at others expense seems... dirty
Also it's called griefing if you troll in a game.

 

[Risewild]

I will just add my two cents on what I think the average "today gamer" differs from the average "yesterday gamer".

Average gamers today are all about competition, and I don't mean in multiplayer games only. For example in the past when someone was playing a game and got "stuck" on some level or part on some game, they would ask others who played it and people would hint or tell the solution.
These days the average gamer will just call the one that is stuck a n00b and say how they didn't think it was hard at all and make sure to point out how superior they are to anyone else that plays the game.

Average gamers today don't want difficult games or games were they have to think much, they also prefer "mechanical games" (games where you get better by doing the same physical movements/key strokes/strategies over and over).

Average gamers today want disposable games, games that they play once or twice and then move to the next new shiny thing, doesn't even matter if it is pretty much the same game with just a new coat of paint (think CoD).

Average gamers today tend to almost worship big companies.

Average gamers today have no taste/liking of their own, if a game company/advertisement/gaming site says a game is awesome and is the best thing ever, the gamers will believe it.

Note: I underscored "Average gamers" because there is always exceptions to the rule, of course not all average gamer will be like what I said (either the new gamers or the old gamers), but it is usually the majority of the "average" by what I have been experiencing for around twenty five years of gaming. I do not think I know everything and maybe I have just been around and read on the internet most of the new gamers being like I described up there, but it is just my experience.

 

[yrogerg]

Having fun at others expense seems... dirty
Also it's called griefing if you troll in a game.

I guess I know the incorrect translation of "trolling" I meant doing something stupid. It isn't that dirty, is it? Also you say its called griefing because the game itself isn't able to keep you entertained?

I will just add my two cents on what I think the average "today gamer" differs from the average "yesterday gamer".

Average gamers today are all about competition, and I don't mean in multiplayer games only. For example in the past when someone was playing a game and got "stuck" on some level or part on some game, they would ask others who played it and people would hint or tell the solution.
These days the average gamer will just call the one that is stuck a n00b and say how they didn't think it was hard at all and make sure to point out how superior they are to anyone else that plays the game.

Average gamers today don't want difficult games or games were they have to think much, they also prefer "mechanical games" (games where you get better by doing the same physical movements/key strokes/strategies over and over).

Average gamers today want disposable games, games that they play once or twice and then move to the next new shiny thing, doesn't even matter if it is pretty much the same game with just a new coat of paint (think CoD).

Average gamers today tend to almost worship big companies.

Average gamers today have no taste/liking of their own, if a game company/advertisement/gaming site says a game is awesome and is the best thing ever, the gamers will believe it.

Note: I underscored "Average gamers" because there is always exceptions to the rule, of course not all average gamer will be like what I said (either the new gamers or the old gamers), but it is usually the majority of the "average" by what I have been experiencing for around twenty five years of gaming. I do not think I know everything and maybe I have just been around and read on the internet most of the new gamers being like I described up there, but it is just my experience.

Totally agree.

 

[Spacemunkey]

Also you say its called griefing because the game itself isn't able to keep you entertained?

This right here is a problem with "today's gamers," why the hell would anyone want to spend time trolling, griefing, whatever, if the game isn't entertaining move on to another one.

 

[Brahmin Noodles]

This right here is a problem with "today's gamers," why the hell would anyone want to spend time trolling, griefing, whatever, if the game isn't entertaining move on to another one.

Exactly. If you have to be an ass to others just to enjoy a game, you probably just shouldn't play that game.

 

[Big No]

I guess it's just fun to mess with people in games even if the game itself is fine to you. Probably because of GIFT.

 

[Vanguardbr]

But competitive is also fun man. I mean, I play Chivalry: Medieval Warfare competitive, in a clan and all that, and its fun as fuck tbh. Chivalry is also quite a "mechanical game", you have to do the same thing over and over again, but thats how practice work. Doesn't mean that when you are fighting someone else, you can have your "victory recipe" that allows you to fuck with everyone. Its like Quake 3 Arena, while there is a lot of repetition to practice the mechanics, there is this sort of abstract thing called skill, where you have these 2 players that fully understand, and can use the mechanics to its full potential, but one consistently wins the other. Point being, there is repetition in the process of learning and "getting gud", but when you are playing for real, what counts is your inteligence to use the mechanics to outplay someone else.

I don't see games like this as inferior in any way, can be just as complex and require you to think as much as these hardcore RPG's, its just that its not lore complexity, or writing. In Chivalry for example, you need to read your opponent all the time, manage range, manage stamina, play "mindgames" to trick your opponent, know weapons timings, know how to use swing manipulation etc, etc. Complex as fuck, and you gotta think about all this shit in a stupid high velocity. Not only that, as you have to outplay your opponent. I bet Chivalry is easy compared to Quake 3 Arena, on this game shit gets real.

I don't know man, I don't really agree with you. There is fun in being better then someone else at a game and competitive games can be great. I enjoy greatly games that has high as fuck skill ceilling, its very satisfying to "git gud" and "rekt noobs".

What I think its bad in the new gamers generation, is the fact they don't know the classic games, and think these modern shit the industry shove on our ass is actually good. I mean, in Chivalry there is a lot of new people, 15 years and so.. Never played half-life, old Fallouts etc. Some have a ridiculously low standard for games, because they are being educated by this modern industry of doom.

But again, at the same time they also know great games due Indie developers, so yeah, I think its very hard to say anything about new gamers. Its not a homogeneous group. The problem with gamers today is the same problem of the game industry itself: triple A garbage

 

[Spacemunkey]

I have also enjoyed some survival horror games and the fun doesn't come from frolic and merriment.

 

[Millim]

Yeah, when it comes to competitive play, I enjoy Metal Gear Online and CIV 5.
I think I may stick with those two for multi-player from now on.

 

[Brahmin Noodles]

Eh, I honestly don't enjoy competitive play all that much. When I play multiplayer I vastly prefer co-op.

 

[Vanguardbr]

I have also enjoyed some survival horror games and the fun doesn't come from frolic and merriment.

Oh yes and there is also that, I found Silent Hill 2 to be a great game exactly because its a sad game, very tragic lore. Not to mention the general creepiness of the game. Great fun tbh.