New Iraqi President

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If you didn't know, for whatever, Ghazi Mashal Ajil al-Yawer was named the new Iraqi President. He was chosen after the US preferred candidate, Adnan Pachachi, turned down the post. I think Pachani made a good decision in declining to accept the post. His installation as President would be seen, by me at least, as a puppet show. Bush and the gang wanted him so bad, but Pachachi saw that it would be bad for his country if he was going to be "controlled" or whatever by the US.

I find that Al-Yawer's appointment is a very good sign for Iraqi independence. For one thing, he wants the US out of Iraq. He wants Iraqi control and Iraqi handling of Iraqi matters, and I wouldn't be surprised if, when he assumes power (albeit his position is largely ceremonial), he kicks America out. Oooohhh man, would I love to see the look on Bush's face when that happens!




The Associated Press
Updated: 7:41 a.m. ET June 01, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. and Saudi-educated head of Iraq's Governing Council was named president of the interim Iraqi government Tuesday, after the Americans' preferred candidate turned down the post.

The selection of Ghazi Mashal Ajil al-Yawer to the largely ceremonial post broke a deadlock over the makeup of a new Iraqi government set to assume power June 30.

Hours later, the Governing Council decided to dissolve immediately rather than remain in office until the transfer of sovereignty June 30, said council member Younadam Kana.

Kana told reporters that 20 of the 22 members of the U.S.-appointed body, which was appointed last July, agreed to disband. She said that two members expressed reservations, arguing the interim constitution adopted in March required the council to continue its work until the sovereignty transfer.

As word of the appointment was announced, a car bomb blew up outside the offices of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, which is located just outside the green zone headquarters of the U.S.-run coalition in central Baghdad.

It was not immediately clear if the blast was tied to Tuesday's government announcement.

Anger at Bremer, U.S.
Council members had angrily accused the American governor of Iraq, Paul Bremer, of trying to install Adnan Pachachi, a former foreign minister, over their opposition. Sources had said earlier that the Americans warned that if the members went ahead and voted for al-Yawer, the United States might not recognize the choice.


Karim Kadim / AP file
Adnan Pachachi declined the Iraq presidency post.
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Al-Yawer, who routinely wears traditional Arab robes and head gear, was sharply critical of the American occupation in a recent television interview, blaming U.S. ineptness for the deteriorating law and order. Al-Yawer also has denounced violence against American and other coalition forces.

U.N. envoy Lakhdar Brahimi, who announced al-Yawer's appointment, had hoped to complete the selection of the 26-member Cabinet by Monday, but the dispute over the presidency delayed the decision for a day.

Brahimi said the two vice presidencies went to Ibrahim al-Jaafari, of the Shiite Muslim Dawa party, and Rowsch Shaways, speaker of parliament in the Kurdish autonomous region in Irbil.

Most of the 22-member Governing Council backed al-Yawer, the current Governing Council president. A graduate of the Petroleum and Minerals University in Saudi Arabia and of Georgetown University, he is a prominent member of the Shammar tribe, one of the largest in the Gulf region that includes Shiite clans. He enjoys the support of Shiite and Kurdish council members.

Pachachi declines position
Coalition spokesman Dan Senor had earlier insisted the Americans have not shown a preference for Pachachi, a claim that many council members dismissed as untrue.

Details of the agreement were not clear, but if the Americans had insisted on Pachachi they would have risked a major breach with their Iraqi allies at a sensitive period as Washington prepares to hand control of a still-unstable, war-ravaged country to an untested leadership.

Ahmed Pachachi, a relative and an aide to Pachachi, said the 81-year-old former minister was offered the presidency but turned down the post.

Adnan Pachachi later told reporters that the president "must have the support of all levels of the Iraqi people and all quarters." He denied that he was the coalition's choice.

"I apologize (for turning down the job) for valid reasons and for personal reasons," he said.

The rest of the Cabinet was to be announced later, Brahimi said, but sources familiar with the final list, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Hoshyar Zebari would retain his post as foreign minister. Kurdish official Barham Saleh, who is close to the Americans, would become deputy prime minister for national security affairs.

Falah Hassan, a provincial official in Tikrit, will become interior minister; Adil Abdel-Mahdi, an official of a powerful Shiite political party, was named finance minister; Hazem Shalan al-Khuzaei becomes defense minister; and Thamir Ghadbhan takes over as oil minister, the sources said.

U.S. troops to remain in Iraq
The next Iraqi government must negotiate the legal basis under which the 135,000 American troops and other coalition forces will remain here under a sovereign Iraqi government.

In Mosul, al-Yawer's hometown, crowds swept into the streets to celebrate the news, cheering and firing weapons in the air. American soldiers there appealed for calm.

Al-Yawer's appointment comes at a delicate time for President Bush. Facing election in November, he must ensure that Iraqi politicians who take power next month are supportive of American goals in Iraq.

On Friday, the far more powerful post of prime minister went to Iyad Allawi, a U.S.-backed Shiite Muslim with military and CIA connections. All sides had wanted the presidency to go to a Sunni Muslim Arab.

Iraqi officials had said Allawi was chosen because he was considered the best choice to cope with the deteriorating security situation.

With more than 800 U.S. military dead since the Iraq war began in March 2003, Washington is eager to see a government that can tackle the security crisis, including a year-old Sunni revolt in Baghdad and areas north and west of the capital and a Shiite uprising to the south.
 
But you see, if a government is put into place, and they start to rebuild, then we might be able to start pulling out some troops. It might take a few years, sadly. At some point or another, there can be reason for us to leave. See, even if we wanted to pull out troops, we couldn't. We'd be looked down upon for leaving a blank nation to die on its own. With a gov't in place, they can restructure and whatnot. Soon, the UN will come in and use peacekeepers, hopefully.
 
New Iraqi government appointed? Excellent! Now I have something new to add to my list of things I don't give a damn about!!! :)
 
Good news. Finally.

Iraq's outlook is actually looking fairly good right now. Theyre secular, literate, intellegent and the women are emancipated. Not to mention oil prices. If this government is generally accepted, like it looks like it will, well, Kerry will have to eat Crow, as the economy goes up and Iraq stabalizes.
 
ExtremeRyno said:
Gas just hit $2.05 (USD) per gallon here. How's prices in other parts of the country?

Americans *shakes head* In Holland, the gasprice is hovering at about 4.73 (about 4-4.5 bucks) EUR a gallon and nobody's too unhappy with that.

You people should be more conservative with your fossil fuels.
 
Gas here is around 11 Swedish Krona per liter at the momentat the current exhange rate that's about $1.45 per liter, one US gallon is a approximately 3.75 liters which gives us a whooping $5.40 a gallon. Of course, we have more enviromental taxes on gas, but still.
 
No doubt, but remember that situation is different in most of Europe, which is why we allow our governments to put such monstrous taxes on fuels. The only one generally exempt is diesel, for long-distance truck and bus-driving. However, most citizens have to travel only a short distance to work, and often use public transportation...or bicycles.
 
True, more americans could probably walk (and thus reduce the size of their fat asses) or they could use public transportation (but hey! that's only for poor people!).

The new government is going to have to do some criticizing of the Americans if only to appease sentiments in Iraq. The governing council look like puppets. Someone who is capapble of criticizing the americans and maybe suggesting the americans leave, will gain more popularity and perhaps create solidarity. I would think it's mostly a strategic play. But the guy has to be careful. In Vietnam we removed the leaders we didn't like the way the New Jersey mob gets rid of problems.
 
I think the problem with USA is that everything's so damn vast. Unless you feel like hiking an hour to nearest grocery store, you simply have to own a car. It's very much different here - I can get from my place to pretty much any point of interest (be it my college, a cinema, a theatre, a museum, a computer store...) in under 20 minutes on foot. Plus American public tranportation sucks in most cities. When I was in Miami, the only way to get from one place to another was by car, since railroad (the only means of public transportation there) covers about 5% of the city.
 
Yeah, our Public Transportation sucks major balls. Not to mention the fact that inter-state public transportation is non-existant, and trains cost a ridiculous amount of money.
 
It all goes back to the problem that America is very large, public transportation has to cover too much area. It costs too much and would still be inefficient.

Where I live, it is a half-hour drive to my school (20 miles, slow roads the entire way) and it is a mile-and-a-half to nearest grocery store. It would be an impossible situation without my own car, I'd have to still walk miles and take three different public transportation systems to get to school.

Comparing car usage (and subsequently gas prices) in the United States and Europe is apples and oranges, different critters entirely.

The gas prices locally, as I just filled my car up today is $2.04 US.

As for Ghazi Mashal Ajil al-Yawer, his objectives in removing US troops actually coincides with Bush's announcements on removing US troops in under a month from now. I still doubt it's going to happen, terrorists will still be attacking and there will still be fighting.
 
The US isn't that large, depending on where you live. I live in a small town in NJ, and we have a downtown area that you can walk to within 20 minutes, using a light stroll. There, you can find anything that you need. We have small places to eat, small quick grocery stores.... if you wanted to walk to a supermarket, it would take you, 45 minutes or so. But of course, most families buy for the week, so they take a car. What's also nice, is that NJ Transit runs train lines through most of the cities... so I can hop on a train and go to most surrounding town with no problem. My high school and grammar schools are all in walking distance, and community college is in my town (which is just luck). For college, I drive about 30-45 minutes a day to get there, but I COULD take a train or bus to Newark, and take the light rail right to school. NJ has a lot of useful public trans.

NYC has the same thing, with taxis, buses, and a complete subway system. Its very easy for NYC people to get around, and NJ people to go to work in NYC.

Florida is officially run by the mob, so don't blame the US... haha
 
Prices are still rising. It's now $42 a barrel. When will it end?

What is the reaction to the new president? Does he really have what it takes to keep all these disparate groups happy?


Damn, I should get back to study
 
Soon, the UN will come in and use peacekeepers, hopefully.
YOu do realise that would still mean there'd be Americans there, right? They'd just be wearing UN helmets.


Now, as for Iraqi Government, think again people:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-06-01-iraqi-cover_x.htm
WOohoo! So it went like this:
"Deadline? No problem?"
"Yeah, June 30th they'll be governing themselves."
"Yep, we'll make it."
"No problemo."
"Nope, complete control."
"Everything's under control."
"Ehhmm....maybe in December 2005?"
And still no UN. Yeah, go Bush!

Prices are still rising. It's now $42 a barrel. When will it end?
I'd be quite happy if it just kept rising. Maybe that'd wake up some of the leaders, and make them do something about the environment and the ridiculous consumption of fossil fuels.
 
I still find it amazing that we are using oil from 6 months ago, and we are still getting higher prices. Also, there enough oil being produced in the US to service ourselves, but we ship it all overseas. Where's the smarts in that?
 
quietfanatic said:
Prices are still rising. It's now $42 a barrel. When will it end?

Duhhh, but remember, it's all a terrorist plot to make the oil prizes rise. Gddduuhhhb

The shit they try to make us believe tires me.
 
According to USA Today a couple of days ago, the US is producing more in the past two years than they ever have. Kind of weird, considering the prices.
 
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