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[Sander]

COnsidering the fact that googling for 'wikilogue' only gives results about some WikiMedia project, and 'wikilog' + Morrowind gives, again, nothing relevant, I highly doubt it's an accepted term.

Both Branching Dialogue and Dialogue-trees or Speech-trees are accepted terms, though.

 

[SumsoluS]

First Person for me, because I highly doubt they are going stick to what is true to fallout and to put in all the death animations for each npc/creature. Way too much detail would be needed to get it right in 3D morrowindyfun, I know it's perfect being done in iso 2D why mess with the formula?

HL2 Doom3, FEAR and Quake4 gore fucking sucked imo [yes I know, Beth' didn't make those but I'm making the point these are the best 'graphical' FPS around that try to give out as much detail as possible], was boring seeing it over and over, yet in Fallout I never tire of seeing heads fly up when hit by a rocket launcher. There is something special in 2d iso that shouldn't be left behind to cater for all the 3D whizzbang cards screaming to be pushed to the max and burn out so the next generation cards are ready to be bought. This has probably been said a hundred billion times when we found out Beth' bought the rights, still warrents a repeat imo.

If my opinion's wrong, have a pre-emptive fuck you!

 

[Claw]

COnsidering the fact that googling for 'wikilogue' only gives results about some WikiMedia project, and 'wikilog' + Morrowind gives, again, nothing relevant, I highly doubt it's an accepted term.

Allright, I lied. People usually just say Wiki-Dialogue, and I really just know it's used at RPGCodex. How'd have guessed you'd check?


PS: HL2 > HL sucker!

 

[jr.]

maybe it should be chalked up to my being long out of the loop, but i don't understand this poll.

most of the choices are equally disastrous, yet the idea is to pick only one... which gives the false impression that some are better than others.

"Lack of original dark post-apoc 50's SF feeling" is currently leading by a mile. so if you are for example Bethesda, it wouldn't be very hard to look at the results and think that the most vital thing you can do for Fallout 3 is give it the retro 50's sci-fi post-apocalyptic atmosphere, would it?

while such things as the combat and dialogue systems, and even the perspective, are much safer to freely change however you see fit because they're so incredibly less "vital" than the atmosphere and art style?

if anything, i can just see this as Bethesda's justification for throwing away every part of Fallout and replacing it with their own aimless garbage, save for the dark retro apocalypse aspect.


"Bethesda's Fallout 3: with the same old 50's post-apoclypse sci fi style you love, and the new fresh taste of hybrid TB/RT combat! Yes, and topical Morrowind dialogue for all! Not to mention SUPER AWSOME multiplayer! Just the way all you Fallout fans like it!"


is there something i'm missing?

 

[Brother None]

There is something your missing, namely that what people think is worse is not necessarily what people dislike *only*.

There'll always be one winner. Take out the retro style and RT-combat will come out on top, allowing Bethesda to fuck up the game atmosphere and bring in alien fairies and lots and lots of guns lewl and supermutant mud-wrestling, or shit.

There has to be one king of bad ideas. Fucking up the setting is it. The rest are the princes of bad ideas. All bad ideas, though.

 

[jr.]

There is something your missing, namely that what people think is worse is not necessarily what people dislike *only*.

There'll always be one winner.

...

There has to be one king of bad ideas. Fucking up the setting is it. The rest are the princes of bad ideas. All bad ideas, though.

those are some of the reasons why this poll confuses me.

1st person perspective, realtime combat or a RT/TB hybrid, Morrowind topical dialogue, and lack of the setting, each would all handily and thoroughly skullfuck Fallout 3 by themselves.

taking that into consideration, i don't understand how its anything but a horrible, even if well intended, idea to split those four up into options on a single-choice poll proudly emblazoned on the front page, ready for people who aren't in-the-know to totally misunderstand.

perhaps the peachy-good little similarities to the FOBoS situation that've been popping up are just making me over sensitivie, i don't know. but i dont really see how a "lets crown the king of the bad ideas that would all inveriably fuck up Fallout 3" contest is a particularly good thing to do under the circumstances and without at least making it painfully clear that the poll isn't there for the purpose of saying:

"Here's a list of evils, Bethesda. Now pick the lesser ones."

 

[Arquebus]

Mutie mudwrestling would be fun though.
im applying the idea to my tabletop fallout rpg

 

[Brother None]

perhaps the peachy-good little similarities to the FOBoS situation that've been popping up are just making me over sensitivie, i don't know. but i dont really see how a "lets crown the king of the bad ideas that would all inveriably fuck up Fallout 3" contest is a particularly good thing to do under the circumstances and without at least making it painfully clear that the poll isn't there for the purpose of saying:

"Here's a list of evils, Bethesda. Now pick the lesser ones."

You're not making much sense.

Ok, let's not do such a poll, then Bethesda can say there was never any big question about what people would like or dislike in Fallout 3 and blow it all up.

There's one option ahead, yeah, the other options are still significantly big. Significantly enough not to ignore.

What you're apparently fearing is Bethesda going in here and seeing topical dialogue below setting and going "well, let's skullfuck that then".

Very unlikely.

But if it's likely, I'd rather have them skullfuck dialogue than setting...It's clear, however, from the poll that significant readerbased hate fucking up the setting, RT combat, 1st person perspective and even topical dialogue is climbing up. What're you expecting, developers will go "oh, 40% thinks this sucks and only 20% thinks the other thing sucks, let's go with the one the least amount of people think suck"?

 

[jr.]

What're you expecting, developers will go "oh, 40% thinks this sucks and only 20% thinks the other thing sucks, let's go with the one the least amount of people think suck"?

absolutely, yes - especially if they already have in mind to do whatever garnered 20% of the vote.

i also think there's a good chance they'd see the poll's winning option as the one and only big "concession" that they'd have to make to please the fanbase, freeing them to mangle every other aspect of Fallout as they see fit.


i'm sensing that you have a much higher opinion of Bethesda than i do.

 

[Claw]

Maybe the next poll ought to be "how should Fallout 3 be different from Fallout?"

 

[Sytxferryman]

Which object would you least like Bethesda to stick in your eye:

a) needle
b) icepick
c) switchblade
d) a pen

B

Maybe the next poll ought to be "how should Fallout 3 be different from Fallout?"

I think (If world peace existed and all hippies were dead and my x-wife gave back all my money in other words if hell freezes over or Charlton Heston became prez) and I could choose what will go into F3 I would make it a expandable never ending post-apoc RPG (except mabey by age of the charactor, then carried on by his kids if any) starting probably around South Carolina, say near Fort Jackson and having all kinds of ruined towns you can find, town prospering, and provide expansion packs like west coast, south america, europe, canada, etc to add on to the origional or play independantly. Work in real world locations and towns and expand it over time as well as random things to occour such as local missions from the towns raiding bandit groups that generate over time randomly or taking missions from the bandits and vise versa. The world to explore basicaly and work in realistic dangers (wich the exception of medical to save the gameplay) and all this in the origional theme of Fallout with mabey a slightly more rustier worn look to it. And definitely a random encounter where you find Interplay's offices and you know who inside to do what you will with.

But this wont happen and I would be more than happy to see even sompthing remotely F3 looking.

Anywho...

 

[Roshambo]

Chain the poll, Kharn. Have everyone vote on the current one, then re-make it with the top one removed. Then people will vote for the next worse idea.

The point is to not show what could be "compromised", but rather what is disliked the most and then go down the list from there. What might be second place with the setting elements in question might become an urgent concern over other factors.

Someone could be more worried about the setting, since without that you don't have a good game, but after that, they don't want to see another Fallout title's design skullfucked for trend as the last two were.

So instead, it will show that even if they kept to the setting, other factors are quite important to the construction of the game.

 

[Gnol]

Hmm.

Can you do polls where one can select more than one option? How about making the next poll "Which one of these would not fuck up Fallout 3 for you?" and presenting some more options (and a mutually exclusive "none of these, I'll buy anything with the Fallout name on it"). I think this might bring our point across a little better: Leave the crucial points of the game design alone.

 

[Sytxferryman]

Hmm.

Can you do polls where one can select more than one option?

Yes... I vote once on all my computers, then go to the library here at college, then to the public computer terminals, then to the gf's house, then to the computer labs in the tech building, etc etc etc

 

[Gnol]

Har har. I know vBulletin allows polls with tickboxes, not just radio buttons, I was just asking if phpBB (or some independant voting system Kharn might be using) can do the same.

 

[Brother None]

Har har. I know vBulletin allows polls with tickboxes, not just radio buttons, I was just asking if phpBB (or some independant voting system Kharn might be using) can do the same.

Nope.

Chain the poll, Kharn. Have everyone vote on the current one, then re-make it with the top one removed. Then people will vote for the next worse idea.

That's a possibility, but don't you think the end results will just match this poll's individual results?

 

[Roshambo]

That's a possibility, but don't you think the end results will just match this poll's individual results?

Not entirely, because different people weight things differently, and when presented with a choice of options, they will pick one over the other. As I, for instance, picked the first-person perspective, since it and the similar "over-the-shoulder" cliché flaw that comvoluted mechanics of one style or the other, would seem to assume an RT combat and blemish of the atmosphere as well, due to both Bethesda's design preferences and that it would also similarly put the player into the character rather than playing the character from afar, and that FP view doesn't offer the pulpish feel to the construction of the originals. It would also hose up the character system and pave the way for their patented crappy keyword dialog that makes Ultima VII's look outright brilliant. (Though I have to give a "design secret" out - UVII's dialog was designed with the same style of scripting that led to Fallout's speech trees, as you had to dig through them to discover other important topics and find out information much like in Fallout. Which was made as an improvement to the crude systems used before up to VI. Which is where Bethesda generally was with Morrowind, but you clicked instead of typed.)

But I do have to agree with you about the results. We might not have to chain the polls since it looks quite definitive already.

 

[Jarno Mikkola]

The rest are the princes of bad ideas. All bad ideas, though.

Multi-player
2.3%
Turn-based combat
1.7%
Isometric perspective (like Fo 1, 2 and Van Buren)
1.6%
Branching dialogue (Fallout-style)
1.4%

So you are saying that turn-based combat and isometric perspective are bad ideas. My vote vent to the Real-time combat, it would totally fuck up the game, just like 1st person perspective would fuck up the SPECIAL. Cause I can't see myself running in hexagon squares in first person.

 

[Crazy_Vasey]

People voting for dialogue trees as a game-killer make baby Jesus cry.

 

[isfoot]

Bah I'm on the family computer atm and b/c of the resolution I missed "lack of" in the 50's sci fi poll option thx Sander, I really was confused lol