NMA, the Doom and Gloom Fallout Community, Hello!

[Dr Fallout]

If turn based is dead, then why are so many turn based games released.

Exactly!

 

[TorontoReign]

Turn based is so dead it has came back and Kickstarted Kickstarter.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Turn based is so dead it has came back and Kickstarted Kickstarter.

While being alive and kicking with Kickstarter.

 

[ZigzagPX4]

XCOM: Enemy Unknown came back, even if simplified as a-

I don't have a metaphor for this.

But it still came out an awesome game and remained in spirit of the original. While I did start with Fallout 3, I'm wondering why that didn't happen with the Fallout series.

I mean, people went critical levels insane and basically raised uranium-tipped pitchforks at the developers when they first said XCOM was to be rebooted as an FPS.

And the shooter got released anyways, and wasn't received that well. But then we got the gem that was XCOM: EU, so really...

How did classic Fallout ever even die in the first place?

 

[Dr Fallout]

XCOM: Enemy Unknown came back, even if simplified as a-

I don't have a metaphor for this.

But it still came out an awesome game and remained in spirit of the original. While I did start with Fallout 3, I'm wondering why that didn't happen with the Fallout series.

I mean, people went critical levels insane and basically raised uranium-tipped pitchforks at the developers when they first said XCOM was to be rebooted as an FPS.

And the shooter got released anyways, and wasn't received that well. But then we got the gem that was XCOM: EU, so really...

How did classic Fallout ever even die in the first place?

As long as Obsidian is there, it hasn't yet.

 

[ZigzagPX4]

XCOM: Enemy Unknown came back, even if simplified as a-

I don't have a metaphor for this.

But it still came out an awesome game and remained in spirit of the original. While I did start with Fallout 3, I'm wondering why that didn't happen with the Fallout series.

I mean, people went critical levels insane and basically raised uranium-tipped pitchforks at the developers when they first said XCOM was to be rebooted as an FPS.

And the shooter got released anyways, and wasn't received that well. But then we got the gem that was XCOM: EU, so really...

How did classic Fallout ever even die in the first place?

As long as Obsidian is there, it hasn't yet.

True. I'm curious as to how Fallout 3 ever came to play in the first place though, considering the XCOM FPS concept went down in flames. Was Fallout's old crowd (you people) that smaller than XCOM's back then or something? Were you able to muster less of a resistance as a result?

 

[Dr Fallout]

XCOM: Enemy Unknown came back, even if simplified as a-

I don't have a metaphor for this.

But it still came out an awesome game and remained in spirit of the original. While I did start with Fallout 3, I'm wondering why that didn't happen with the Fallout series.

I mean, people went critical levels insane and basically raised uranium-tipped pitchforks at the developers when they first said XCOM was to be rebooted as an FPS.

And the shooter got released anyways, and wasn't received that well. But then we got the gem that was XCOM: EU, so really...

How did classic Fallout ever even die in the first place?

As long as Obsidian is there, it hasn't yet.

True. I'm curious as to how Fallout 3 ever came to play in the first place though, considering the XCOM FPS concept went down in flames. Was Fallout's old crowd (you people) that smaller than XCOM's back then or something? Were you able to muster less of a resistance as a result?

Maybe, or maybe that gaming became really popular with teenagers at the time?

 

[ZigzagPX4]

XCOM: Enemy Unknown came back, even if simplified as a-

I don't have a metaphor for this.

But it still came out an awesome game and remained in spirit of the original. While I did start with Fallout 3, I'm wondering why that didn't happen with the Fallout series.

I mean, people went critical levels insane and basically raised uranium-tipped pitchforks at the developers when they first said XCOM was to be rebooted as an FPS.

And the shooter got released anyways, and wasn't received that well. But then we got the gem that was XCOM: EU, so really...

How did classic Fallout ever even die in the first place?

As long as Obsidian is there, it hasn't yet.

True. I'm curious as to how Fallout 3 ever came to play in the first place though, considering the XCOM FPS concept went down in flames. Was Fallout's old crowd (you people) that smaller than XCOM's back then or something? Were you able to muster less of a resistance as a result?

Maybe, or maybe that gaming became really popular with teenagers at the time?

What do you mean? Fallout 1 was released three years after UFO: Enemy Unknown. One would expect a larger crowd to defend Fallout staying as an isometric turn based game.

 

[Dr Fallout]

XCOM: Enemy Unknown came back, even if simplified as a-

I don't have a metaphor for this.

But it still came out an awesome game and remained in spirit of the original. While I did start with Fallout 3, I'm wondering why that didn't happen with the Fallout series.

I mean, people went critical levels insane and basically raised uranium-tipped pitchforks at the developers when they first said XCOM was to be rebooted as an FPS.

And the shooter got released anyways, and wasn't received that well. But then we got the gem that was XCOM: EU, so really...

How did classic Fallout ever even die in the first place?

As long as Obsidian is there, it hasn't yet.

True. I'm curious as to how Fallout 3 ever came to play in the first place though, considering the XCOM FPS concept went down in flames. Was Fallout's old crowd (you people) that smaller than XCOM's back then or something? Were you able to muster less of a resistance as a result?

Maybe, or maybe that gaming became really popular with teenagers at the time?

What do you mean? Fallout 1 was released three years after UFO: Enemy Unknown. One would expect a larger crowd to defend Fallout staying as an isometric turn based game.

I mean that during Fallout 3's times loads of teenagers who liked shooters came up, while the fanbase was heavily divided. Not so anymore.

 

[random234]

Yeah well, honestly you get used to the shit-talk about NMA this NMA that. I mean everyone is free to make an account and DISCUSS the points. However most people simply decide that we are the negative imbeciles and that we suck out the enjoyment of vidgy-games. And so the glittering gem of hatred was born.

And everytime I see this, I am proud to have joined up a decade ago mostly lurking this great Forum and reading the often worthwhile suggestions, discussions, insights or rants.

 

[khain]

Well, for what it's worth, I've been loving it here for about a year as a lurker, and I'm now enjoying posting.

(Whether others enjoy said posting is vastly irrelevant, I will cling to my first amendment rights like a bloatfly larva).

The external views are a very unfair misrepresentation of the place. I've seen no fanboys hating on recent games with no good reason, I've just seen a lot of passion for the old classics and if there's a sentiment that prevails towards the recent productions, it's sadness.

 

[TheRippaMan]

The funny thing about this thread is that in most every other video game forum out there if you posted something like "you know, I really don't like what I've seen about Fallout 4 so far" you'd get shouted down by legions of people who already have awarded it GotY. So if anything, as those who have been caught in the hype cycle are so hostile to those who are dubious about it, you're basically encouraging various pockets of "negativity" to form among like-minded folks.

Seriously. NMA is treated like some irredeemable cesspool but anywhere else you go online and people will immediately jump down your throat for disliking Bethesda's material.

I browse Reddit (I have no idea why, it's just one big circle jerk) and almost EVERY thread about Fallout 4 has a bunch of people talking shit about NMA. They even went to the extent of calling this site the "Isis" of Fallout fans. Now I realize that I haven't been here very long, but I did try and defend NMA on there and guess what happened? I got 50+ downvotes lol

Maybe this site is overly negative, but honestly I just don't think there is anything positive to say. There is some stuff I like in Fallout 4, the guns look okay, the new Deathclaws look great and the animations look great, but there really isn't much to talk about that hasn't already been said. The majority of the stuff that we've seen has been very mediocre imo, but to the rest of the world they make it sound like the goddamn game of the century which I just don't understand at all. There are a lot of people who are looking forward to Fallout 4 and I get it, but the game seems like it's being marketed to the majority that loved Fallout 3 and is basically a big fuck you to everyone else who wanted change.

I don't think this forum is overly-negative in the slightest -- simply, that these people don't like their opinions challenged. They don't want a debate. Instead, they come here to stir trouble rather than discuss. It's simply a sign of immaturity and lack of cognitive effort on their part. Personally, I like a debate, but I wont tell another person, whether he likes Bethesda's Fallout or not, that his opinion is overly-positive or quite simply worthless -- but, rather I don't agree. I

In other media, especially literature, debate is ok, different opinions are welcome. In gaming, and especially Fallout, it's the opposite -- agree or shut up.

 

[ZigzagPX4]

In other media, especially literature, debate is ok, different opinions are welcome. In gaming, and especially Fallout, it's the opposite -- agree or shut up.

The more niche and unique a series is, the more likely it is for changes to be controversial. It's not just Fallout - any book that explores themes no other books explores, or movies that portray scenes in a way no other movies can portray, will garner more polar opposite views than normal, run-of-the-mill media.

Fallout is political commentary on the Cold War, humanity as a whole, 50s-80s satire, survival, Mad Max parody, post-apocalyptic simulation, grounded pseudo-realistic sci-fi, with a touch of crazy and pop culture references. It's very, very unique. You can guarantee there is a community that exists to complain about the differences between Van Buren and the original Fallouts, in an alternate timeline where Bethesda never got hold of the Fallout franchise.

NMA's existence is inevitable. Throughout space and time, the existence of a No Mutants Allowed forum - or a similar variant - is inevitable.

 

[Dr Fallout]

In other media, especially literature, debate is ok, different opinions are welcome. In gaming, and especially Fallout, it's the opposite -- agree or shut up.

The more niche and unique a series is, the more likely it is for changes to be controversial. It's not just Fallout - any book that explores themes no other books explores, or movies that portray scenes in a way no other movies can portray, will garner more polar opposite views than normal, run-of-the-mill media.

Fallout is political commentary on the Cold War, humanity as a whole, 50s-80s satire, survival, Mad Max parody, post-apocalyptic simulation, grounded pseudo-realistic sci-fi, with a touch of crazy and pop culture references. It's very, very unique. You can guarantee there is a community that exists to complain about the differences between Van Buren and the original Fallouts, in an alternate timeline where Bethesda never got hold of the Fallout franchise.

NMA's existence is inevitable. Throughout space and time, the existence of a No Mutants Allowed forum - or a similar variant - is inevitable.

Well originally it was a 'normal' fan site for Fallout I believe, but now it's dedicated to holding aloft the torch of liberty... I mean true Fallout forwards!

 

[shihonage]

Is the OP on drugs? I tried to read that post, but it's an incomprehensible mess. Guess that's what happens when you try to defend the indefensible.