Opinions on Communism

[Dr Fallout]

Your idea of the religious is seemingly low. They are the same amount of human that you are; capable of the same feats you are. Mind you the many great Western works were kept alive, in Latin, by the Church. The West would have lost many to Muslim invaders of the past without; or Persian before them.

Taint as in any anti-influences to the area. Corruption would also be a corresponding word.

It is, mainly because the religious cannot or do not conform to their own standards. They are, and I don't refuse that, it's just that you don't need to be religious to be smart or good. The Muslims of that period were arguably more progressive then the Christians of Europe (excluding Charlegmane's Frankish Empire).

I suppose the Church occupied the corruption spot themselves.

 

[Mr. Necrosis]

I'm not suggesting that you need to be religious in order to be intelligent or moral though; just that you have a low opinion of them.

The only prominent religion to worry about today is that of Islam; followed by Communist and Anarchists. All three are political. Christianity lost its political grasp, outside that of lets say mayor and community boards, not too long ago. I'm not counting National Socialists alongside Communists and Anarchists as Traditionalists, of any type, out number them in the West; racial values are stagnant as well. Self evident from Slavs, Germanic races, and the rest co-existing as odd as that is now.

I'd only add that Muslims adopted what was given by the Persians, or Iranians now a days, after the Persians were swept up in Islam. Beyond that they did not change much even in that time period. I'd credit Europe's dark ages for philosophical, spiritual type, works but they were no better than the middle east at that time.

The Church has been corrupt from the beginning as it was formed by politicians. The Western work spotlight was just to show one of the good things they did. Like all else they still did horrible things.

 

[Dr Fallout]

I'm not suggesting that you need to be religious in order to be intelligent or moral though; just that you have a low opinion of them.

The only prominent religion to worry about today is that of Islam; followed by Communist and Anarchists. All three are political. Christianity lost its political grasp, outside that of lets say mayor and community boards, not too long ago. I'm not counting National Socialists alongside Communists and Anarchists as Traditionalists, of any type, out number them in the West; racial values are stagnant as well. Self evident from Slavs, Germanic races, and the rest co-existing as odd as that is now.

I'd only add that Muslims adopted what was given by the Persians, or Iranians now a days, after the Persians were swept up in Islam. Beyond that they did not change much even in that time period. I'd credit Europe's dark ages for philosophical, spiritual type, works but they were no better than the middle east at that time.

The Church has been corrupt from the beginning as it was formed by politicians. The Western work spotlight was just to show one of the good things they did. Like all else they still did horrible things.

I do have a low opinion of the religious. Mainly because of how hypocritical they are.

Sadly the Muslims have regressed and lacked a true Spiritual enlightenment, meaning that they're stuck in a primal and oppressive form of Islam. The intervention and remnants of Western colonialism and Imperialism haven't helped. The strongest nation in our age holding up one of Arabia's most prominent example of religious oppression doesn't actually help... Which is GOOD. Religion should never be political, because it's always had a bad political effect. This is relevant how?

I'd add that the Christians adopted what was given by the Romans and Greeks, after they were swept up in Islam.

It was formed by religious leaders TRYING for politics.

 

[Mr. Necrosis]

This is relevant as Communism attempt to replace religion. The common working person is, instead of being preached to of a great afterlife, preached to of equality in working conditions and life in general. One just can not be divulged into globalist philosophies; which is why National Socialism worked well with religion.

Christians adopted that of the Romans, and the Romans adopted that of the Greeks, however they all still invented some things. Minor things; the Muslims too. They expanded more on spirituality than material.

In the end Communism wipes the slate clean and burns what little culture we have left. Religion may be pointless and destructive but it can, and does, act as a cultural glue if applied correctly.

 

[Dr Fallout]

This is relevant as Communism attempt to replace religion. The common working person is, instead of being preached to of a great afterlife, preached to of equality in working conditions and life in general. One just can not be divulged into globalist philosophies; which is why National Socialism worked well with religion.

Christians adopted that of the Romans, and the Romans adopted that of the Greeks, however they all still invented some things. Minor things; the Muslims too. They expanded more on spirituality than material.

In the end Communism wipes the slate clean and burns what little culture we have left. Religion may be pointless and destructive but it can, and does, act as a cultural glue if applied correctly.

I don't know, but being preached something that can affect you in a certain life seems much more applicable and fairer...

Actually the Muslims expanded heavily on material. They were the scientific capital during the medieval ages, though this was eclipsed by the Europeans.

No arguments here, though I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Mr. Necrosis]

The best I can offer would be that people are seemingly soul-less without a culture or some sort or identity; national, ethnic, cultural, or any of the sorts. Mao's actions in China are a good example of what Communism can do. As its hard to say how many Chinese traditions and strong cultural values have been destroyed.

We may live in times where we seemingly don't need traditions due to our technology, but it gives people something to hold onto until we reach for the stars and spread out planet to planet. Yet even then people shall hold onto insignificant cultural things.

 

[Crni Vuk]

I personaly believe the real difference between the western world which follows a christian tradition and NOT(!) christian religion and between the Islamic world, is solely the fact that most Islamic nations are not democracies with free spech and that they are regions struck with a lot of povertiy. If we had a real christian ruler with the bible as legislative power, we would see in the US or Germany the exact same shit as you do in Quatar or Saudi Arabia, who in turn do pretty much the same shit as ISIS, just a bit less belligerent.

If most of the Islamic states would be democratic and with a certain amount of wealth, we would see far less of this religious fanatism.

Your idea of the religious is seemingly low. They are the same amount of human that you are; capable of the same feats you are. Mind you the many great Western works were kept alive, in Latin, by the Church. The West would have lost many to Muslim invaders of the past without; or Persian before them.

Taint as in any anti-influences to the area. Corruption would also be a corresponding word.

Yes, that's what religion is really really good at. Preservation.

But when it comes to actuall progress? Not so much. Because progress, means critising, questioning, discussing everything. And this is only possible in a society with free spech. Something that modern democracies have as their basic principle. Religion can work perfectly fine without any kind of free spech and critical thinking, infact it even works better without it. There was no knowledge gained by monks who did nothing else but copying books for several 100 years, of which many had to be actually translated from arabic to latin by jews in spain during the muslim occupation - how ironic. In which way, has religion improved any real scientific knowledge? It didn't. When ever some real progress was made, religion was always ignored. I am not trying to shit all over religion, it was a great way to lead societies in the past, to give people a concept of how to interact and live together. But it is not this beacon of knowledge or even research as some describe it. Neither this 'era of englightment' in Islam, nor this christian monks that couldn't even read most of the books they keept around.

The real progress that was achieved, was the fact that universities started to emerge at some point, and yes, this 'idea' to have a place which is solely about studying and learning, was in some sense inspired by monks in their monasteries.

 

[Dr Fallout]

The best I can offer would be that people are seemingly soul-less without a culture or some sort or identity; national, ethnic, cultural, or any of the sorts. Mao's actions in China are a good example of what Communism can do. As its hard to say how many Chinese traditions and strong cultural values have been destroyed.

Culture is fine and interesting, but it also divides us, as does religion and ethnicity.