CCR said:
There's some truth here, but I think it's a really fine line. There's a reason there's so much fear of anti-semetism in Europe, and why so many prominent officals even in the French government admit that it's a growing problem.
I think that the majority of anti-semetic actions in Europe are Arab-on-Jew or Euro-on-Arab, but there really IS a growing blurring of anti-semetic and anti-zionist lines.
Of course, there are many idiots become anti-semitic because of Israeli actions. The intelligent ones, however, don't, and a lot of speech you see in the media and opinion articles and forums like this one comes down to "You have anti-Israeli ideas, thus you're an anti-semite." I loathe it, not in the least because it bars intelligent and critical thinking.
Let's say the Plattesduetch got really angry at you for not becoming part of Germany. Thus they send in a suicide bomber into....whatever you guys use in the abscence of Churches/Synagoges. They kill 40 people. Let's hav that repeated, say, a thousand times, and combine that with 4 wars to try and push the Dutch "into the sea".
If that's not a fucking exuse I have no idea what is.
The comparison is a bit bad, mainly because of the "getting mad for not becoming part of Germany".
In any case, one of the worst excuses in existance is "they did it to us", and I certainly hope you know this. This is one of the reasons why I don't agree with a lot of Israeli actions, the Israeli actins are more bent on self-preservation than on ending or mitigating the conflict, and with that I have a problem.
That said, not all actions have a valid excuse.
Same with the Norwegians and the Danish. One of the main reasons so many Jews survived in those nations is because the Germans did'nt use the same tacitcs against "Aryan equals" as they did the Poles. You guys where also less anti-semetic then the Poles to be fair.
Yes, interestingly we were the one country where there was an official protest to against Jewish deportations (the Dokwerkers' Strike). Sadly we still had a lot of Jews deported, percentage wise we were one of the worst nations at that.
Yes, you/they where. There was even a Dutch SS that used Dutch Runes and called themselves Diki, or something like that.
There was also the NSB, a political party formed in the
thirties which didn't have much popular support, but based itself off of the NSDAP. It was the only political party not disbanded by the nazis after 1941. Its leader, Mussert, also became a prominent person amongst the Nazis.
To be fair, though, most countries had their own divisions amongst the SS.
No offence, but when you're the but of every joke, ever intolerant movement and the bodies of you're own dead outnumber the living in most of Europe, you have EVERY right to be paranoid about it.
No, you don't. Objectivity and rationale are the very least you can use to counter a man's argument, more specifically someone's arguments if they are intelligent and politely offered.
I also think you betray a certain....weirndess here. If I replaced "anti-semeite" in the above sentance with "arab, blackie or Mexican", I'd be banned.
I disagree, but this is mainly because the situation just isn't with "arab, blackie or Mexicans" but with anti-semite. "arab, blackie or mexican" would mean that every arab, blackie or Mexican was an anti-semite regardless of his way of thinking, while calling someone an anti-semite means that you target the group that thinks as an anti-semite without basing it off of physical or ethnical characteristics.
I actually went to a Jewish school up to Kindergarden, and to a largely Jewish school after that. Hell, most of my friends are Jewish. Maybe its' a Euro-Jew thing. In America, they do form cliques occasionally, but they're as American as the Italians or the Irish.
I've never lived in a "big city" so I can't really comment here since I've never lived near any major Jewish centre, but I have to say that this is probably due to the level of religiousness and adherence to one's religion. Here, I think, most Jews would stop calling themselves Jews as soon as they stop believing in the religion, I don't know the situation in the USA, but this also means that most Jews step out of the communities as soon as they become a-religious or differently religious, and the communities therefore reach a much more close-knit level because they really only contain people who have the religious Jewish state of mind.
Note that this is mostly speculation, though.
This is where he says all jews. he doesnt strict it to to a group or a country does he?
No, he doesn't say all Jews. He's a Jew himself. he said "the Jewish" referring to the Jews as a group, and thereby referring to the most vocal or obvious part of that group.
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