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I spotted in a thread on our boards that Sean K Reynolds proposes that we start up a Pay-Pal account and start donating money towards a Fallout 3, eh:<blockquote>Then why don't _you_ set up a paypal account, grab a lawyer, write up some sort of legal document stating that all donations will go to Interplay if Interplay agrees to use the money to fund Fallout 3, and that if Interplay doesn't agree by a certain date then the money will be returned to the donators. See how much money you get. If you actually manage to collect $100,000, I'd be very impressed (and that would only be from 10,000 of the "30,000" people who signed the petition) and _that_ would mean a lot more to Interplay than a petition (which is easily inflated by posters using aliases and such).

And if Interplay refuses, then everyone gets their money back. No harm, no foul.

What do you think? Willing to skip a pizza delivery this week in the hopes of getting the game you want?

Tell you what, start up that account with the proper legal notification as I stated above, and I'll put in $10. Crazy!!!

Disclaimer: This crazy idea is just my idea and not the official suggestion of Interplay. Me posting this is not any sort of binding agreement from Interplay that they'll consider this offer. Personally, I don't think you'll be able to put together enough people willing to put their money where their mouth is.</blockquote>Well I'm still not sure what I think about it, for once who would control it..etc..etc.. End of the line, IPLY wouldn't start up Fallout 3 for a sum around $100.000..
Link: Pay-Pal Sean thread
 
It wouldn't make a difference. The "paypal" account could amass a hundred million and Ineptlay wouldn't do anything different. If they took the money, I'm sure they would find a way to use it make Fallout 3: Brothehood of Steel vs. the Green Flying Canadian Mutant Hamsters Running Exaltedly like Hell.
 
...some fans here in Czech Republic suggested the same idea few weeks ago. It was on my page http://madbrahmin.bonusweb.cz . I am sure they would save up few bucks, but I stoped it in the begining. Same problems as Odin said: who would control it?, we couldn´t put enough money together , to whom give it? IPLY? The old BIS team, which is no more a reall cohesive team? Silver Style?
 
This is probably the 10th time this has been suggested on this forum, and the third time this exact thread has appeared here.
It just won't work, for numerous reasons. Things like the selling and acquiring of licenses, entire companies, and divisions are kept in the corporate world for a reason. If such a thing were placed in the hands of fans, it would be such a debacle.
And I still would hate to see Silver Style make Fallout 3
 
SO does this mean that I f I donate 10$ I get 10$ off the game when it comes out? probably not.

I rather set up an account for the laid off BIS members or even Silverstyle than Interplay.
 
MrMarcus said:
If they took the money, I'm sure they would find a way to use it make Fallout 3: Brothehood of Steel vs. the Green Flying Canadian Mutant Hamsters Running Exaltedly like Hell.
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LMAO!
 
Plus, paypal takes money from everything put through them. So, no, we would NOT get a refund, and a substantial amount of the money would go to paypal. Nevertheless if someone actually organised this I would be willing to donate $50, in fact I'd rather give my money away than keep it, if the money were to go to some construcitve fund for FO3. It's not entirely impossible to do, what I suggest - besides getting someone who knows a bit about legal matters and who would be willing to organise it - is start a petition lasting for a week or two where people who would be willing to put in money would say how much etc. Then that would give a very rough idea if it could work.

And finally - who would develop it? The BIS guys have new jobs now. We'd end up with a mish mash of ideas on a dual combat RPG. There were a lot of compromises I had to accept with Van Buren, but if it was my money that was funding it, I wouldn't be prepared to accept those compromises.

EDIT: Perhaps the money would be better spent in buying to FO license and giving it to Troika. Again Im sure thats a lot harder than it sounds, besides the money factor
 
Oh not again... This bullshit idea was raised a hundreds times before.

It just doesn't work.

Besides, if the fans manage to pull this off, It's likely I'll steal your money and run away.
 
I think you're all jumping ship too early on with this idea. It has worked in the past.

To name a great and modern example, take Blender. It's a piece of freeware and now open source software which was bought from a
dutch venture capitalist company. Sure, the situation isn't exactly the same, but consider this for a moment. The company owning the brand and sources to Blender released it for a fee of 100,000 EUR. This money was contributed unselfishly by a wide variety of people. In the end, as the money gathering became more and more widely known, people would contribute just because it would bring something new to the open source arena.

Now the difference is that with Fallout, I'd say you can't make it open source. Heck, no great game could ever be open source. Don't flame me on that just yet, I know there are lots of cool open source games out there. But listen to what I'm saying, Fallout is not just a great game, it's a fucking huge game. You've got a whole world to develop, a storyline to develop. What we alla know and love about fallout would more likely than not fall short if it became open source. Too many cooks makes a foul soup so to speak.

There are other things to consider as well. If you were to buy the sources from Interplay, you'd have to buy the brand as well. This is, I'm afraid, where it would all fall short. I'm quite convinced that, given Interplays recent business decisions, they wouldn't just let go of one of their revenue prospects. It's not like they are releasing F:PoS because they think it's a crappy game with no potential. Let's face it, console gamers are fucking retards and they buy anything with a disney suit or a crappy modelled broad in a thong. I'm positive that this game WILL sell, and that Interplay knows this. They are still fucking retards to drop Fo3 though, of course, but given their current (read, past five-year) situation they probably want money fast. I'm certain F:PoS can give a stash in a short period of time, but it will never gain the success that Fo1 and Fo2 ever had. After all, Fo1 and Fo2 weren't immediate hits, but rather they became hits after a while. The word spread and people got to know that those are two great games.

Now I'm driftin off-topic. What I wanted to point out is that, while it's definatly a possible proposition to buy the rights and sources to a game from Interplay, it would not be easy. First off, what would you do with it? Gather up the old BIS team and finish it? Release it as open source? Who has the knowledge and expertise to approach Interplay with a proposition interesting enough so that they would actually let go of one of their main revenue prospects being the Fallout franchise?

In this case, I think it might be easier to gather up some money to get Interplay to get BIS guys back to finish off the last pieces of the puzzle, not saying that would be easy either. I have a hard time believing the BIS team would happily get back at it, after how they were treated by Interplay.

The idea is not a bad one, but it's certainly a daunting task to say the least. It's not something you just whip up in an afternoon. Getting blender released took a couple of months IIRC, and that was from a company that had nothing to gain on the software, nor nothing to loose from releasing it.

Now, if someone would pull a HL2 stunt on Interplay, doing a snatch-n-run ;o)
 
OK...see, first off, Interplay would never do something like this. The execs there are all corporate whores and will only sell stuff to another corportion for a hefty price. Also, if I want a Fallout 3, I don't want a crap load of fan made Fallout 3's. I think a lot of people share my opinion. If and when Fallout 3 gets made, I want it to be a professional endeavor by a dedicated, talented, and skilled team. Such a team could only be brough together and funded by a major corporation. This stupid paypal idea would never work.
 
a.) $100k will buy a 10 man team 1 month of development time (feargus' estimate is about $10k/man month). is anybody here gullible enough to think 1 month of development time with an understaffed team (10 isn't many) is enough to complete VB (i doubt it)?

b.) given the above, skr was probably being facetious in his post...

just the math alone rules out this as an option.

mark
 
I think another issue that should be addressed is that most of the team is gone and either at a new job or still looking. Even if Interplay for some reason resurrected the title, they'd have to get a whole new team, or most of a new team at least.

Last year saw alot of BIS people disappear. Feargus left, alot of people left after that. Then the layoffs. So I don't see the point in raising money. Best plan I can think of is finding a developer that either "gets" the license and makes a game and/or one that has a good number of veterans from the original games. I'll let you guess which companies can fill those requirements. :)
 
If that ^ doesn't convince people to stop trying to do something like this paypal idea, I don't know what will



ScottE said:
Best plan I can think of is finding a developer that either "gets" the license and makes a game and/or one that has a good number of veterans from the original games. I'll let you guess which companies can fill those requirements. :)
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That's the only good plan out there right now.
 
The stupiditiy of this plan is that nowhere it is suggested how Fallout 3 should be. IN other words, they could take the 100,000 dollars, build some Falsh thingy, call it Fallout 3 and be happy. Bah.
 
I think there is still some potential to the idea. It needs hard work though and some laywer types. donating money is the easy part.

or we could just wait for iplay to die in a few months.
 
I think I said it quite nicely. I gues Sean Boy isn't too familiar with the rather litigious nature of Interplay and I've address this more here. Sorry, litigious tends to imply to be the one initiating.

Let's just put it that Inertplay is often in an amazingly actionable position, given that the idiots in charge put themselves there frequently.

Just when you think there's a limit to Sean's gullibility of the game industry and Inertplay (in general, no less), here the kid goes with another. He might be okay at writing books and reposting Inertplay press releases as an argument, but when it comes to game development, the boy should just take a good keg's worth of the following:

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Just so you know: Getting active works. Not all the time, not necessarily, but sometimes it does. Blender was a good example, another user on IPLYs board pointed out Farscape and Firefly. Be realistic about it - FO3 WILL be dead if nothing happens right NOW. If it rots on IPLYs shelves it won't be picked up at anytime. Think of cancelled stuff like Tork or Outcast 2. These are simply dead, too much time has passed. So the time to act is now. Alright, no one wants to give money to IPLY. We hate their business decisions and what they did to BIS, FO and BG. But currently they can't afford to do FO3. So if this money COULD help to buy the license for the usual suspects why not give it a try at least.

For anyone feeling uncomfortable about giving money to IPLY without nothing getting for it, it could just be used for getting the license. From there on the license could be given to any party interested in it - for free. Anyone who gave money could decide on who will get it.

Legal text:

1) By sending money you accept our legal terms (needed to be worked out by a lawyer)
2) The money will only be used to retrieve a license for producing Fallout 3 on the PC
3) If this license won't be retrieved half a year (or a year, to be debated) after starting the fund the money will be returned
4) The money returned will be the money sent minus Paypal transfer fees

This basically outlines it. Just imagine, the license in the hand of the fans, I'm drooling about the thought of Chris Avellone working on it again... Sorry.
 
Bobbin said:
Just so you know: Getting active works. Not all the time, not necessarily, but sometimes it does. Blender was a good example, another user on IPLYs board pointed out Farscape and Firefly. Be realistic about it - FO3 WILL be dead if nothing happens right NOW. If it rots on IPLYs shelves it won't be picked up at anytime. Think of cancelled stuff like Tork or Outcast 2. These are simply dead, too much time has passed. So the time to act is now. Alright, no one wants to give money to IPLY. We hate their business decisions and what they did to BIS, FO and BG. But currently they can't afford to do FO3. So if this money COULD help to buy the license for the usual suspects why not give it a try at least.

For anyone feeling uncomfortable about giving money to IPLY without nothing getting for it, it could just be used for getting the license. From there on the license could be given to any party interested in it - for free. Anyone who gave money could decide on who will get it.

Legal text:

1) By sending money you accept our legal terms (needed to be worked out by a lawyer)
2) The money will only be used to retrieve a license for producing Fallout 3 on the PC
3) If this license won't be retrieved half a year (or a year, to be debated) after starting the fund the money will be returned
4) The money returned will be the money sent minus Paypal transfer fees

This basically outlines it. Just imagine, the license in the hand of the fans, I'm drooling about the thought of Chris Avellone working on it again... Sorry.
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Draw up a contact and get some legal documents sorted and I'll donate. But that's the hard part.
 
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