Pay-Pal Sean..

Not trying to be awkward (well yes I am) but, does it *have* to be the former team that worked on the previous fallouts? Isn't it just as likely that someone very much aware of how fallout *should* be made, has the talent to make it just as good, if not better?

Obviously not Interplay, I think they lost all credability ages ago, and this is before the whole FO:POS farce. But a group of people, who know Fallout, who loved Fallout and have the talent to bring Fallout back to life from the drunken crack whore lay face down in the gutter that it's become.

There was one game that was being made a while ago, I think that got put on hold because of resources and funding stuff... there was a demo of it released, and it was very fallouty whilst being unique in it's own right, uggh I wish I could remember the damn name... it had a psychological element to it, a kinda 'big brother is watching you' feel and that was just the demo.

Edit: I remembered the name of that game, Static... looked good, pity it got shelved, now there's a game I wouldn't mind helping out, if it had been realisticly viable...
 
Well if there ever is a Fallout 3, the chances of all the original team members working on it are nil.

I think that it could be done well by a group of people who love Fallout...no problem there...but I would feel a little more comfortable with it if they had a little help from some of the former BIS guys.
 
Bobbin said:
Let's see, the strategy here is to wait, boycott Interplay in every possible and go on ranting forever.

Hey, if you want to throw money around, all the more power to you. If I didn't have any scruples or integrity, I would suggest the exact same thing as Sean, if just to take advantage or morons such as yourself.

You've really not addressed any points and instead go for waggling your finger. That doesn't work when you really didn't do any thought behind it.

So you have two options. You can either bother to read what has been written, especially when Interplay's PC development is pretty much DEAD, or don't bother replying again.

They would have to re-hire and much more, and it's going to take a LOT more money to coax the people back. Or they could have the people who are left there make a Fallout 3. Not a good solution, either. If a company won't license it out to Troika, then what makes you think that this has any more feasibility?

Sure, kid, keep pipe dreaming. Keep proving the street rule that a fool and his money deserve to get parted.

"Maybe we will see a spiritual sequel to Fallout",

This is quite likely, since many development houses are working on them.

"Maybe a big company picks this up",

I didn't say "big", shithead. If you're going to mouth stuff again like that, you can leave.

"Maybe Interplay goes down the drain"...

Which would be for the best since Interplay is nothing like what it was before. It's continual existence is a mockery to the people who worked hard to make the name great and had that effort exploited at the whim of a French whore. That is exactly the same situation BIS is now in.

Okay, we do nothing. How long will IPLY survive? With all the cuts and BGDA2 and FOBOS getting money in this may be well another year.

Hopefully less since F:POS isn't really cared for and Interplay's name is becoming mud in console circles, especially when Snowblinds is working on something else and that BIS is essentially dead as a development house.

Or even longer regarding that IPLY is in financial struggles for years.

Although I wish Interplay would die already and lessen the insult towards the people who made it what it was, the press releases, especially the one about the music selection in F:POS, tend to be a bit amusing.

No one will be interested in this license anymore in 1-2 years.

That's odd...people have been following this license since 1997. People are still interested in it and the Ultima license, although to EA Ultima only means a MMORPG to get money from instead of making great games.

Yes, we believe your naive assumption...no, not really.

It's like Wing Commander which is not even used

Oh, good. You mention something I have more than a passing knowledge of, most of Origin's titles and background. :wink: Because the development house is essentially dead, no more titles. Pretty much like BIS is now. Would you toss money to EA for another Wing Commander title? If you said yes, then I'd also consider you an idiot.

Next time, don't use such stupid examples that slit your own throat in debate. I'm far too good in debate to miss them.

or Ultima which is used in a very bad way.

Much like X-COM. But what your simple mind hasn't grasped is that Ultima is still liked and has a great amount of interest behind. Fallout does as well, which is why people at press sites have been following the happenings of Interplay much more lately. The amount and spread of outrage over Fallout 3 being canceled before it was even announced in favor of some shitty console game is quite noticeable, and the last halfway decent Fallout game was back in 98, if you don't count the number of bugs still left in. If someone were to pick up the Fallout license again, or come up with something that draws the people who enjoy the post-apocalyptic genre, then it would be welcome.

And you're wanting to trust your money to Interplay, just because there's a "contract"? There's so many ways to weasel out of it, and at the end of all this collecting, Interplay could tell you to fuck off for making the contract too restrictive. Then you will get only a portion of your money as legal and accounting fees are taken out of it. At that point, who will be the one who keeps control of the PayPal account and such? Or what happens when Interplay takes your money, gives everyone severance pay and shows them the door, and then declares bankruptcy? But "your $100k" is sitting in a bank account when the company declares bankruptcy. With that legal situation, good luck in getting it sorted out from everything else Interplay owes or will accrue by then.

Of course, you probably didn't think that far ahead on that subject. It would not surprise me at all.

Here everyone likes to convince himself that IPLY is going down soon,

They may linger, but if you haven't noticed, they're pretty much only releasing the same game many times this year, with different graphics in each incarnation. Given that, I doubt the console crowd is going to be impressed enough with them to keep buying the games.

the license gets available and Troika or Obsidian pick it up. Right, this obviously has to happen.

This is certainly far preferable to Interplay working on a Fallout 3, especially when there's really nobody there to make a PC Fallout 3 and to hire the ones people are thinking of back to BIS would take just about all that $100k. Especially so when a number of them are now working at Obsidian or other places and many of which are completely through with Interplay.

Where are you going to pull the people to work on this title? Out of your ass? It's not going to be out of house with Interplay holding it, since Interplay has refused to do that on a number of occasions. Either that, or they're waiting for someone cheap enough to make an offer.

A lot of posts here with assumptions. And if anyone finally comes up with an idea he's being ranted on. What a great community.

Agreed. Your biggest assumption is that if your give them money, you'll magically see Fallout 3. You really haven't thought any past the money part.

An idea is even worse if it's stupid, and I guess it's MY fault for pointing out the flaws that might get people suckered into something. 100k isn't a damn thing for game development, BIS is pretty much no more, and pretty much all of those who worked on Fallout, Fallout 2, and Van Buren, in a design capacity, are either at Troika, Obsidian, or scattered elsewhere in the industry or wherever.

So how exactly were you expecting to have Fallout 3 made after you've thrown your money away to Interplay? Oh, holy shit! You didn't THINK that far ahead, did you, kid?

That's right, you didn't think beyond the first piece moving, only going for oral gratification as you rape your keyboard. I think I've mentioned about this problem before.

So go ahead and toss money into Fallout 3 for the console, as that's about all you'll ever see. Don't blame me because I point out the fact that that you're an idiot.
 
Get you off, you mean.

And yeah, I agree.

We should have a "Go Rosh!" smiley.
 
Bobbin said:
But just let me assume, that you REALLY want FO3, although you don't sound like it. What do you think has the biggest chance of reaching this goal?

1) Ranting about IPLY, satisfying your anger

2) Signing a petition

3) Raising money which could be used to getting the license, funding part of a team or advertising for our cause

None of this is a sure ticket to FO3, but I think option number 3 has the greatest chance of succeeding. Remember, if this would actually be set up, everyone would get his money if the project doesn't succeed, depending on the goal. So all you got to loose are some paypal fees. But it seems you are better off ranting than actually do something.

No, what you need to remember is that Interplay really doesn't want to make more PC games. They want to make more console games. That's why they spent their spending money on extending the license for the console BG games to 2008 and didn't pay the money for the rights to BG for the PC - even though BG for the PC was nearly complete.

Like others have stated, it's a waste of money because you're going to get legal fees out of it and there's no damned way Interplay is going to make a Fallout 3 when they can make Fallout Enforcer 3 through 103 instead - because the guys running Interplay think that consoles are where the money is.

As point out by Rosh, it would take about $5M to make Fallout 3. even if you raise half that money, you're looking at getting $10 a piece from 250,000 people. That's 250,000 circulated legal statements and possibly contracts, 250,000 names and addresses to keep track of, and since the odds are that it won't work - 250,000 checks to send back or online transactions to make.

Even then, there's no assurance that you'll get a quality product.

That's why it's a stupid idea.
 
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So stand back people, let the man work!
 
/me balws into tears and blubbers like a Miss America winnar.

I would like to thank all the mass murderers and serial killers in the world, as well as my very special German friend, you know who you are. And lastly, to my spiritual advisor, Hideki Tojo.
 
I'm fond of that one, too, but I'm more fond of my Japanese lineage. Something with Hideki Tojo in his younger years seems more appealing for some reason, but there's no need for that. The caution sign should do the trick, although with some of these people they still wouldn't get it.
 
I've got a question. If I donate my $50 to the cause, does it mean I get the game for free, or do I have to pay another $50 for it *again*?

What a good idea! Pay twice for a game you want that may or may not suck but you won't know until it's too late! I'm surprised no-one's mentioned the "Make your own Fallout" option that seems to pop up in threads like this. Seeing as the Fallout editors have been released and all.
 
DarkUnderlord said:
I've got a question. If I donate my $50 to the cause, does it mean I get the game for free, or do I have to pay another $50 for it *again*?

What a good idea! Pay twice for a game you want that may or may not suck but you won't know until it's too late!

Shhh! Dammit, I was going to use that as an ace, so now you can take the blame instead. Damn you and your "logic abuse" of these children!

I'm surprised no-one's mentioned the "Make your own Fallout" option that seems to pop up in threads like this. Seeing as the Fallout editors have been released and all.

Well, now's your chance. :)
 
Roshambo said:
DarkUnderlord said:
I'm surprised no-one's mentioned the "Make your own Fallout" option that seems to pop up in threads like this. Seeing as the Fallout editors have been released and all.

Well, now's your chance. :)
No, no, no. I'm waiting until they say "Well, why don't *YOU* make your own Fallout game?" then I get to call them a moron, tell them they haven't been paying attention and say that I am.
 
As I said earlier, its just not going to work to try to send money to Interplay in hopes they will finish the game. The team is gone. There's no point. They laid off most of the programmers that knew the engine. So trying to bring in new people would be difficult. Plus trying to find a group that "got it" would be even harder. You have to remember the BIS team was a very experienced group of people. We had all worked for years together and functioned very well. Interplay breaking up such a rare team of individuals was a damn shame. I don't think they realized what they had. We all had a deep respect for the material and had a firm grasp on what we wanted to do on the sequel.

But for now Interplay could care less about PC games. They've taken the mentality of most other publishers- "PC Games Bad, Console Games Good!" Chant it everyone! :)

I see one of three things happening-

1. Interplay sells the rights for PC development to someone else. They don't want to do anymore PC titles so this is a possible outcome but no idea if this is going to happen as I have no inside info.

2. They sit on it just in case they decide to resurrect the project in the future. This could also happen though with the console mindset they have now it would be unlikely if anything would ever be made. The longer they wait the more dated all the work becomes.

3. Interplay goes under and it gets sold off as an asset to the highest bidder. I hope this doesn't happen since I'd hate just anyone getting the license and tarnishing the name. Better it die in my opinion.


There is one other possible situation. Someone else makes a spiritual successor to the game. Heck, many people called Fallout a spiritual successor to Wasteland when it first came out. It could happen I suppose and if it did, no one would care about Fallout after a few years and it would fade away as another dead license.
 
ScottE said:
3. Interplay goes under and it gets sold off as an asset to the highest bidder. I hope this doesn't happen since I'd hate just anyone getting the license and tarnishing the name. Better it die in my opinion.

That has been my preference for some time, or maybe in a fit of desperation Interplay may sell the rights to a good team, but that is chancy. It would be best for it to die now than go through its "Ultima IX" title...uh...too late.

There is one other possible situation. Someone else makes a spiritual successor to the game. Heck, many people called Fallout a spiritual successor to Wasteland when it first came out.

Scott! You could be shot for saying things like that! ;)

I'm surprised you don't remember the "Remember Wasteland?" on the inside flap of the Fallout box. That was a nice touch.

It could happen I suppose and if it did, no one would care about Fallout after a few years and it would fade away as another dead license.

Not so. The Wasteland license still has interest in it. Of course, the developmental interest isn't as large as it once was, but it's still there. Fallout would be pretty much the same way.

So instead of "The great post-apocalyptic game Wasteland..." it became "For a good example of post-apocalyptic CRPGs, check out Wasteland and Fallout" and will later turn into "Remember Wasteland and Fallout? Check out this new game being developed."
 
Roshambo said:
ScottE said:
3. Interplay goes under and it gets sold off as an asset to the highest bidder. I hope this doesn't happen since I'd hate just anyone getting the license and tarnishing the name. Better it die in my opinion.

That has been my preference for some time, or maybe in a fit of desperation Interplay may sell the rights to a good team, but that is chancy. It would be best for it to die now than go through its "Ultima IX" title...uh...too late.

Yeah real chancy, if MS ever got their hands on it would cry like a girl..erm..well.. :look:

It's funny to see IPLY's failed attempt at Fbos and they've started Fbos 2..hahahaa...yeah, console is the futuaaahh...
 
Roshambo said:
I'm surprised you don't remember the "Remember Wasteland?" on the inside flap of the Fallout box. That was a nice touch.

Hey, I just pulled my original copy of the game off the shelf and you are right! I completely forgot about that quote on the inside flap!


Chant with me everyone! "PC Games Bad, Console Games Good!"

I figure if I say it enough I might start believing it!
 
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