People That Play Fallout 76 Why do you still play it?

Discussion in 'Fallout 76' started by The Visitor, Jan 27, 2020.

  1. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Archives Overseer

    Mar 16, 2013
    My dude I don't know if you've taken a peak at any of the threads involving politics here, or down at The Order.
     
  2. Risewild

    Risewild Carbon Dated and Proud
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    Jun 14, 2014
    The Order is not NMA. And NMA is not The Order.
    This is an important distinction. ;-)
     
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  3. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Archives Overseer

    Mar 16, 2013
    That would be why I referred to them as seperate things, yes.
     
  4. Norzan

    Norzan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Apr 7, 2017
    Our good friend Dellarie literally did the equivalent of farting in the room and then leaving. Hasn't logged in since his/her only post.

    I was expecting a good 10 pages or so of arguments of why we hate Bethesda (myself i just hate poorly made games, Bethesda just gets criticism from me because their games are trash) and why Fallout 76 is too deep for us.
     
  5. SquidWard

    SquidWard Pirate and Bankrobber oTO Orderite

    Jun 1, 2018
    Most of them seem to find the thread, create an account to stir up some users, and never log back in. At least the past few have.
     
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  6. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Archives Overseer

    Mar 16, 2013
    Well at the very least it gets a bit of blood flowing through our veins. We need it.
     
  7. SquidWard

    SquidWard Pirate and Bankrobber oTO Orderite

    Jun 1, 2018
  8. LeakyLine

    LeakyLine Main Force Patrol

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    Mar 22, 2019
    I like Fallout and I decided to pick it up when it was only $13 or so. Gives me a game to play sometimes when I'm bored and don't feel like investing a ton of time into a playthrough. It's not the best game but they've at least improved it a little. Admittedly haven't played in a few months though, I'm too invested in other games + The Frontier now.

    No way in hell would I pay for a ridiculous subscription model though. That's a line I'm not willing to cross, ever.
     
  9. Kilus

    Kilus Not Australian Orderite

    May 3, 2003
    Fallout 76 with all the updates is better than Fallout 3 and 4. In basically every way. There was actually a lot of thought put into the world. I mean like this guy:

    https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Ferret_Baudoin

    obviously cares about stuff like lore and the world making sense and A causes B which causes C, you know the stuff Bethesda proper hates.

    In another world where this was a regular game, not online and all the dead faction that were dead at the start of the game where alive and there were some choices and consequences and a laser pointer distracted Todd, Emil and Pete this could have been something special.
     
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  10. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Archives Overseer

    Mar 16, 2013

    Completely agree. Appalachia is still the most impressive worldmap the series has had.

    Although the lore is still shitty as fuck.
     
  11. Kilus

    Kilus Not Australian Orderite

    May 3, 2003
    A lot of the lore is shitty because of the terrible idea that everyone was dead when the game started. Here are all these groups with goals and they work with and against each other and then a plague that creates not-ghouls kills everyone. Everything potentially interesting is just abandoned.
     
  12. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Archives Overseer

    Mar 16, 2013
    There's that but there's also a fair amount of shitty stuff in the backdrop too. Firstly the idea that Applachia was spared of bombing effectively entirely when in the Fallout world completely strategically irrelevant places such as Salt Lake City recieved 13 warheads targeted at it, enough to strip bare the extremely rural Zion valley for many years, and yet West Virginia was spared of any bombing (despite the game's own background lore making it into a resurgent hub of mining industry) and recieved no ill-effects of radioactive fallout from the directly adjacent DC which would have been one of the hardest hit in the country.

    There's also the factions that range from being boring to being shitty. The sole exception is the Free Staters which are cool in concept but boring in execution. Stuff like the superheroine vigilantes and the WV Super Mutants are dumb as hell, and the Responders are enough to put you to sleep on basically every level.
     
  13. Korin

    Korin So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
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    Aug 6, 2010
    I still play this game, in fact I'm just coming up on 1600 hours. I've been playing since beta, so I've seen pretty much everything. They've put a lot of work into it over the last couple of years and it shows. It's quite unfortunate because the game as it is today is really good. If this has been the game they released 2 years ago it would be much more popular right now but unfortunately the stigma of the initial release still hangs over them, even if it isn't the reality.

    This thread is a good example but on pretty much any post or article about Fallout 76 there's usually a pile of commentary from people who don't play the game (or haven't played in years) talking about things that either aren't based on reality or have been regurgitated from something a youtuber said (who also didn't really play the game) and is months if not years out of date.
     
  14. Kilus

    Kilus Not Australian Orderite

    May 3, 2003
    @Korin are you beating up super mutants with your heart wrencher?
     
  15. Korin

    Korin So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
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    Aug 6, 2010
    Nah, that’s for plebs. I killed them all with grenades while holding a Heart Wrencher since it still counts :p
     
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  16. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Archives Overseer

    Mar 16, 2013
    It is completely fair for people like me who played the game on release to criticize it for the state it was released in. The idea or practice that you can shit out something as unacceptable as 2018 76 and get people to buy it, then claim "oh now it's a good game" two years plus down the line is absurd.

    You can feel free to enjoy the state 76 is in but it is one of the most blatantly shameful and anti-consumer products the industry has ever pushed out. Any value the game has now is very rightly counterbalanced by that. It shouldn't be pushed under the rug when considering how good of a game it is.

    I'd also wager that unless they've done major revisions to the lore since release too, the lore as presented in the game is still trash. There's a lot of stuff woven into the fluff of the setting that is just trash
     
  17. SquidWard

    SquidWard Pirate and Bankrobber oTO Orderite

    Jun 1, 2018
    That's not what Korin is saying. He said that every time a new update is posted people who haven't seen what the update actually looks like or does, still immediately trash on it. He didn't say that the way the game released was acceptable. He said the way the game released was blown out of proportion and has left a mark on how everything else related to the game is talked about. That's a fair statement.

    Also, half the time people keep trying to dunk on this game's updates by mentioning how lore breaking something is or ridiculous and campy something is, I really don't know what people expect. It's an online Fallout game using the same stuff as Fallout 4 and made by Bethesda. What else did you expect?

    Saying it's unfortunate that the initial release's stigma hangs over the game is a take you don't have to agree with but this is not really excusing the game's initial launch either.
     
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  18. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Archives Overseer

    Mar 16, 2013
    As someone who played it, it wasn't blown out of proportion and it's good that people trash on it continuously even years on. It deserves it.



    Precisely what I meant by pushing it under the rug


    It's not excusing it directly but it's brushing it off and its original form prior to backlash and the trail of subsequent controversies should forever stain the game and forever be considered in weighing the games value, is what I'm saying. The game should never be viewed alone as what it is now and judged on that.

    I'm not a mindless hater of 76 as I've proved in several threads singing it's praises where it deserves it, but it's still an abysmal game.
     
  19. SquidWard

    SquidWard Pirate and Bankrobber oTO Orderite

    Jun 1, 2018
    Seeing a company that generally makes subpar products try something new (taking everything they had for Fallout 4, slightly modifying parts of it, and putting it online) and it turn out subpar is not sweeping it under the rug in my opinion. It's having a realistic expectation. Did you think Fallout 76 wasn't going to shoehorn in the Brotherhood of Steel, Super Mutants, Deathclaws, and the like?

    I mean, if that's not what you want to do, that's fine. There is a contextual souring of the initial launch of this game. But if you were to evaluate how the game plays right now, what matters is how the game is and plays, right now. If someone bought this on Steam sale for 10 bucks and said, "Hey, uhh, you know, it's not so bad." It's going to be a weird thing to act like the game is still shit in the same way it was shit in 2018 towards that person. What the fuck do they care? Sure, you shouldn't trust Bethesda or something but not because of Fallout 76 unless this is your first purchase and you just don't ever look into their older stuff. You shouldn't have been trusting them before that unless you somehow found Skyrim and Fallout 4 to be quality work that received sufficient technical support post-launch. Which they didn't.

    I don't think they've made a wonderful game after the fact but they definitely have improved on it since launch. There's still bugs and performance issues but nothing insanely awful, the writing/lore/whatever else gets your socks off was never any better that's all the same, but there is new content which is about on par with Fallout 4 (not saying much) from what I've seen and tried out. They've improved some stuff (adding more weight limit for your stash is one) and added some shitty subscription model to the game that's far overpriced but hey you get an easier time in the game! Stupid but once again, what do you expect from big studios making online service model games?
     
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  20. Korin

    Korin So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
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    Aug 6, 2010
    It is fair to criticize the release, even I criticized it, but that was also two and a half years ago. You can keep criticizing it but it has nothing to do with the current game. These are two completely different things. You literally can't play that version of the game anymore, so to rate the functionality of the current game based on the state it was in two years ago doesn't make any sense. Imagine criticizing World of Warcraft because you didn't like Burning Crusade, even though it was released 14 years ago. If you have a moral opposition to the game based on the initial release that is fair but not relevant to how the game actually plays which is what the people playing typically care about. The reviews for No Man's Sky were also terrible but I played in 2020 (not 2016) and enjoyed it a lot.
     
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