PETA Too Hot For TV

Wait!

Why doesn't everyone hate the PETA, again?

There've been some ads on TV lately from the Dutch version of PETA (no idea what their name is) that try to be confrontational and shocking. As usual, those kind of ads really want to make me do the exact opposite even if I usually wouldn't (i.e. they say buy chickenmeat of freeroaming chickens, well then I'll just buy chickenmeat of one of those penned up freaks of nature hens).
 
Brother None said:
As usual, those kind of ads really want to make me do the exact opposite even if I usually wouldn't (i.e. they say buy chickenmeat of freeroaming chickens, well then I'll just buy chickenmeat of one of those penned up freaks of nature hens).
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That is my sentiment exactly, I think they raise as much counter-awareness as they ever do "awareness".

Every time I think of PETA, I just cringe at the damage being done to those poor trannie prostitutes fur coats.
 
Brother None said:
There've been some ads on TV lately from the Dutch version of PETA (no idea what their name is) that try to be confrontational and shocking. As usual, those kind of ads really want to make me do the exact opposite even if I usually wouldn't (i.e. they say buy chickenmeat of freeroaming chickens, well then I'll just buy chickenmeat of one of those penned up freaks of nature hens).
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My thoughts exactly...there ads are so blatantly offensive it makes me want to go kill an animal for no reason.

I have a complicated history concerning ethics and animals. Being a nature lover and an owner of a few pets I grew up loving animals. However studying Biology both in class and as a hobby I've discovered it's impossible to look at animals in any moral sense. If it's wrong for someone to murder an animal than certainly they have the same rights to live as we do. Yet does that mean we should stop the wolf from eating the deer? Practically speaking would couldn't control nature like that...morally even if we could it would contradict their own nature. It's also our nature. We have teeth meant for eating meat. Although we have many more teeth meant for eating grain/fruits/vegetables there is supposed to be some meat in our diet whether it matches our morals or not.

Besides both my parents hunted and in total contradiction to common sense they were both exceptionally caring and understanding of animals. I believe that most "animal lovers" are city born people who've never seen "nature" and don't realise that animals are more than pets. They provide food and also act in a manner unnaceptable my human moral standards and hence can't be judged by those same standards. In fact I think the decision to ethically treat animals causes people to think of themselves as "unsung heroes" who only feel increasingly justified by the fact that no one will help animals when they will much in the same way a minority religion will become more zealous and entrenched the more they become persecuted.

I've even considered becoming a hunter due to some serious environmental concerns in my area dealing with an overpopulation of deer and the subsequent deforestation (overgrazing), scarcity of native plants (deer eat native plants, but not dangerous invasives leading to an increase in invasives), landslides (lack of root ground support), and the idea that if we got rid of the wolves we need to replace them. I never started hunting do to a large initial investment of a gun, clothes, and education. Although the yearly investment of just a license renewal is worth it to me.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Besides both my parents hunted and in total contradiction to common sense they were both exceptionally caring and understanding of animals.
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You mean PETA's common sense right? According to PETA's mind set I would in a prolonged manner butcher my dog for food, if I woke up one morning and there was no steak.

The last part of your post reminds me of an old joke, "swerving to avoid hitting a deer and hit a school bus".
 
The Vault Dweller said:
However studying Biology both in class and as a hobby I've discovered it's impossible to look at animals in any moral sense. If it's wrong for someone to murder an animal than certainly they have the same rights to live as we do.
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They do, actually. They were born, which is really the closest thing there is to a "right to live." Unfortunately for everything living, though, that right in it's natural form is chock full of caveats and blackout periods and it's only valid up until the point that someone or something ends your life. The main idea: the only truly inalienable right there can ever be is the right to live until you die. Anything that seeks to extend this incomplete coverage is not actually a natural right but a societal construct. Ours just happens to be the race that gets to decide on those constructs, and admittedly, we're a little self-biased.

Personally, I believe that all life is deserving of respect and understanding. I'm all for the ethical treatment of animals. (It's part of the whole "mankind's selfish cow-eyed arrogance sickens me and I really think one day I might snap and become a supervillain" beliefs package that I started to buy in installments back around 6th grade.) Any such sort of respect for life and nature, though, must come with the understanding that no matter how far we choose to remove ourselves from it, mankind, too, is part of the natural order of things and gets to behave as such. PETA refuses to acknowledge this, though-- they stand not so much for the Ethical Treatment of Animals as they do the Elevated Tyranny of Activists. Their hypocrisy and the cherry-picking of facts that go on with PETA and other such organizations is enough to make me want to stitch together a coat of live ermines and wear it around town.

What did that animal ever do to me, bitch? It's crime was deliciousness! I tried it and found it guilty.

-Proud member of People Eating Tasty Animals.
 
LOL, it's just another club to belong to. I also think it would be a good place to meet hot girls. :P

YES, I Love animals too!
 
Yamu said:
-Proud member of People Eating Tasty Animals.
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Someone I knew in High School who despised vegetarians claimed he wanted to start a club called that. I had no idea he heard it elsewhere.

Yamu are you a student of philosophy in any way? You're responsive was much better worded than anything I could have said.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
The Vault Dweller said:
Yamu are you a student of philosophy in any way? You're responsive was much better worded than anything I could have said.
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Thanks for the kudos, VD, but I'm really just another one of those online goons with juuuust enough brains to make his half-informed notions sound kind of plausible to a fellow layman. I dabble in a lot of things, but I'm no formal scholar, and I doubt I could hold my own in any given debate without making gratuitous use of verbal trickery or a lead pipe.

I don't mean to run the thread off the rails, but since the opportunity's presented itself, I just thought I'd say that you tend to come off as a pretty self-depricating guy, y'know? Not that it's ever a bad thing to be humble or anything... just don't sell yourself short.

As far as People Eating Tasty Animals goes, I picked that one up from my dad, who's specialized in collecting the folksy and the hokey since he was half my age. I wouldn't be surprised if the joke's been around as long as PETA has.
 
Brother None said:
(i.e. they say buy chickenmeat of freeroaming chickens, well then I'll just buy chickenmeat of one of those penned up freaks of nature hens).
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Big meh. The word "ecological" or "green" food gets thgown around back here I do not even try to trouble myself with discerning whether those are Happy Sausages I'm going to fry.

I do try to buy eggs laid by hens not kept in cages, though. Not really because of the "suffering" factor, but because breeders use a 20-hour or even 18-hour light cycle to disorientate the hens' bio clock and get the eggs faster. Pretty shoddy if you ask me. I doubt they can be any better than normal ones.

Plus, finding eggs stamped with a "2" instead of "3" is a good shopping sport, since most "ecological" and "rustical" ones are in fact from cage breeding. The vendor just doesn't want you to know.
 
Speaking as a veggie, I'd say there's a pretty big difference between making a personal, moral stand* and acting like a complete dick.

Bizarre and insulting adverts are not likely to convince a great deal of people how worthwhile your cause is.

It also makes it difficult for PETA members to acknowledge other situations (such as VDs example(which I assume is at least slightly true, as I can't be arsed investigating)) without looking like hipocrites.

New Enclave said:
You mean PETA's common sense right? According to PETA's mind set I would in a prolonged manner butcher my dog for food, if I woke up one morning and there was no steak.
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I must admit to being baffled by your response, though.
:scratch:

*Note, no "holier than thou" here, it's a personal thing.
 
Big T said:
I must admit to being baffled by your response, though.
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I was remarking about the statement of hunters in contradiction to their nature being caring and understanding which I think, correct me if I'm wrong The Vault Dweller was making a little stab at PETA. I didn't mean to come off harsh if I did. However, I did read much of PETA's website and "According to PETA's mind set I would in a prolonged manner butcher my dog for food, if I woke up one morning and there was no steak." was the impression I got of rabid meat eating hunters from them.
 
One of the many gems written by Maddox.

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Regarding PETA, I bloody hate this kind misdirected use of resources.
If PETA were not run by such sodding idiots (sadly, intelligent idiots) misinforming their followers, they could acctually have done something good.
Like fighting mistreatment of animals as it should be, in stead of ludicrous causes such as complete animal liberation.

I fucking despise what unenlightenment can cause. Bloody hell!


Added:
If people choose to be vegetarian, that is fine by me. More meat for me.
If people choose not to go hunting. More game for me.
Everyone wins!
 
You know I'm born to lose, and gambling's for fools,
But that's the way I like it baby,
I don't wanna live for ever,
And don't forget the joker!
 
Jack The Knife said:
One of the many gems written by Maddox.
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I think these two are better and the last one fits the subject at hand. :P

edit:
I know it's hard, a natural drag,
It's a hassle to fight,
If you don't wanna be a slag,
If you believe you're right,
They've got the power now,
But soon it's our hour now,
We all know where we been,
All we do is Live To Win
:D
 
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