Plato's allegory of the cave realised in horrible fashion.

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Sicblades said:
So Plato was too chicken shit to think for himself, and he made up Socrates?

Yep. If Plato wrote from the first person at that time he would have faced political repercussions, since they were mainly sophists in power.

I don't call it chicken-shit, Its call strategy.
 
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Hope he reads this:


Hey Kim Jong we're soon going to invade your little shit country, and when we do, there will be no mercy for you and your allies. You will all be gutted savagely by pigs, perhaps even fed alive to your political prisoners.
 
Yeah right. You know the population would fight to the death to defend him? Funny thing about democracy... it never works on asians. Unless you give them some 40kt of nuclear warheads...and they'll still make weird tv shows.
 
why should it not work for asians ? Its not like democracy was working here in "europe" that well either. Remember Spain ? Grece ? And a few other nations around here. Most of them havnt been democractic before the 80s even. And with some its still arguable
 
Its not like democracy was working here in "europe" that well either. Remember Spain ? Grece ? And a few other nations around here.

Yeah, i remember the Greeks invented democracy... and it worked for them... like in the ancient times. It wasn't perfect then, but it was a beginning. Other countries followed too.

Asians never expirienced democracy or something remotely similar...
 
Blakut said:
Yeah, i remember the Greeks invented democracy... and it worked for them... like in the ancient times. It wasn't perfect then, but it was a beginning. Other countries followed too.

Asians never expirienced democracy or something remotely similar...
Someone has to start, don't they?

Also South Korea, Japan and Taiwan seem to be doing just fine so your argument is false.

The problem is more that radical societal change isn't easily established from an external source in a short time. It takes time for people to understand and get used to a new system, and it gets a lot harder when that change isn't supported by a large part of the population in the first place.
 
Blakut said:
Its not like democracy was working here in "europe" that well either. Remember Spain ? Grece ? And a few other nations around here.

Yeah, i remember the Greeks invented democracy... and it worked for them... like in the ancient times. It wasn't perfect then, but it was a beginning. Other countries followed too.

Asians never expirienced democracy or something remotely similar...
I am talking about the greece from the 60 and 70s which have been if I remember correctly a military regime. I am not talking about ancient times.

As already said. We love to compare oure self to the asian or african states feeling superior in politics and technology. This happens to many times. Thinking they would be either dump or simply poor cause they grow up without water out of a faucet or cause most of them spend their time with farming.

Truth looks a bit different though. And nor europeans or americans are that supperior when you think about it. We are all dealing with issues just everyone in different directions.
 
victor said:
You will all be gutted savagely by pigs, perhaps even fed alive to your political prisoners.
Strip him naked, gladwrap his body from head to toe…leaving some air holes, than lay him down in the desert. Apparently your internal organs cook from the inside out, and is considered possibly the most painful way to die. :twisted:
 
Funny thing about democracy, everybody says it's the ultimate government and that it works for EVERYONE!
 
Did I mention democracy? No. So if that's what you think I meant, you're all fucking idiots.

No, I just want to curb stomp the fat little dwarf.
 
We love to compare oure self to the asian or african states feeling superior in politics and technology. This happens to many times. Thinking they would be either dump or simply poor cause they grow up without water out of a faucet or cause most of them spend their time with farming.

Technology? I haven't said a thing about technology. When it comes to human rights though, we are far ahead of Asia or Africa. That's a fact. China and Japan are just as techonlogically advanced as we are. That's what's scary about China...
 
Blakut said:
We love to compare oure self to the asian or african states feeling superior in politics and technology. This happens to many times. Thinking they would be either dump or simply poor cause they grow up without water out of a faucet or cause most of them spend their time with farming.

Technology? I haven't said a thing about technology. When it comes to human rights though, we are far ahead of Asia or Africa. That's a fact. China and Japan are just as techonlogically advanced as we are. That's what's scary about China...
I know you didnt mentioned it, I was saying that in general.

And well, human rights ? Indeed. Many things work on the surface. And only there. Things might be in some nations better then in others. But when I look over to the french and their wars in africa and what they did in Asia as well which is not that far in the past (remember the foreign legion from the 60s and 70s?). Or letz better not even start about the US or you will edmiately see al those people jump in here either bashing the US for fun or defending it cause "it gets always bashed for fun!". But thats all beside the point.

Fact is as well if the roles would be reversed and europe would be the shithole africa is (more or less), we would not care an inch about human rights either.

From our position at home in a comfortable situation with a save gouvernement since it isnt changing every half year violantly and a somewhat stabile economy it is easy to claim that the system in europe or north america is inherently better. That we are peaceful people and such.

Fact is as well that trough the aprox last 100-150 years this wealth we gained was made on the cost of Asia and Africa mostly. political, economical and military intervention. From Arabia, to Somalia, China, Vietnam etc. etc. the list is quite long. One has not not to search very hard to find something about the one or other nation. And I am trying very hard to not be specific here cause most if not all are guility and still are. Where is Africa geting most of its weapons, ilegal AND legal. Right, France, Britain, US, Russia and as well China. They earn a lot from those wars. So at the same time when people here scream about human rights in africa for example I have to shake my head and think about the legal weapon trading many european nations do in Africa ... so much to that point no.

We have human rights cause we can afford them. True. But not cause european/north american people are "inherently" better compard to the african population for example. Or North Korean one for that matter.
 
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