Ratty counts down his favorite games

There's no way you can objectively measure entertainment value of a game. Different people are entertained by different aspects of games, and it will always be like that. What if some very hard and frustrating game is entertaining for someone precisely because of that and other person is unable to get pleasure from playing it for the same reason? Does that make one of them wrong and other one right?
 
Multidirectional said:
There's no way you can objectively measure entertainment value of a game. Different people are entertained by different aspects of games, and it will always be like that. What if some very hard and frustrating game is entertaining for someone precisely because of that and other person is unable to get pleasure from playing it for the same reason? Does that make one of them wrong and other one right?
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No. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying that Ratty calls the game perfect, but apparently doesn't find it perfectly entertaining.

This isn't multiple people disagreeing about one game, this is one person disagreeing with himself. Which is much funnier.
 
Dungeon Keeper is awesome. Good writeup, Ratts.

That said, Assman, your point is a non-point. My favourite films of all time are Dr. Strangelove, Requiem for a Dream and the Long Good Friday. I do not consider any of those films "the perfect film" or even "the most perfect film ever made". Tarkovskii's Solyaris is probably the greatest film I have ever seen, though many are close, but none of those "great films" are "my favourite".
 
Ratty said:
Kharn's favorite games list (a.k.a. the only favorite games list that could potentially rival mine)
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You destroy your credibility with a big lie in the first paragraph. Also fail for listing a game with glaring balance issues that should have got the entire QA department fired and probably did, and that QA department was all that was keeping PM in check for so many years.
 
Sander said:
No. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying that Ratty calls the game perfect, but apparently doesn't find it perfectly entertaining.
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I meant perfect in terms of design, which is at least partially an objective category. For example, I also consider UFO: Enemy Unknown to be a supremely well-designed game, perhaps as good as Dungeon Keeper, but I never really much cared for it personally. Why? I guess the game concept and setting never appealed to me. Also see Kharn's movie analogy for an even better illustration of the issue, because objective quality and subjective enjoyment are more distinct categories where movies are concerned.
 
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