*Real* Christians

[Ozrat]

Hey CCR,

George Went Hensley had the right idea. You should strive to be more like him by being pure to the Christian ideal and not that tomfoolerly cult you're always raving about.

Discuss.

Yes, this is supposed to be an incomplete topic. Guess who my inspiration was?

 

[Murdoch]

Always interesting when moderators begin baiting people

 

[welsh]

I agree. But Ozrat is not a moderator on this forum, just general fallout discussion.

Ozrat, maybe a little more substance to get the thread going?

(though honestly I am getting tired of religious threads).

 

[John Uskglass]

Actually, Protestants are a distinct minority of Christanity. Catholiscism is as big as Islam, and Orthodoxy is as large as the Bible Thumping strain of Protestantism, and massive in comparison to the Holy Rollers.

So, in short,
FUCK YOU!

 

[Brother None]

Yes, this is supposed to be an incomplete topic. Guess who my inspiration was?

Tsssk, Ozzy, childish

Also, could you people stop with the fucking small fonts already? It was funny for about 3 posts, but I'm tired of it. I thin I'll start editing them out of posts if you continue

 

[John Uskglass]

Real paganism

Real athiests

 

[Wooz]

Actually, CCR, the picture you posted is an Aztec offering to the war-god Huitzilopochtli, the only one they made human sacrifices to, with war prisoners. They extracted the heart and offered to the god, the rest of the body was flung down the stairs of the pyramid on which the temple was, and eaten.

The Sun and Moon pyramids are in the Teotihuacan complex, part of a civilization dead long before the Aztecs.

Lived in Mexico 10 years, visited a lot of pyramids, went to school, learned a bit of history.

Besides that, your point is right about their "paganism", one of their principal gods was Tlaloc, the rain and agriculture god , as well as one could call Greek mythology pagan (think persephone)

 

[John Uskglass]

Wow. Thats impressive. I really should have known that.

Where in Mexico?

 

[Wooz]

Lived in Chiapas, full of mountains, Maya temples, colonial churches, mountains jungles and mountains. It's where the "leftist" Zapatista uprising took place in 1994. I go back there to visit my family every summer.

Traveled to a lot of places in Mexico, after all I gre up there. Made a general tour around in 2002 when I took my girlfriend on vacation.

 

[John Uskglass]

Your family immigrated?

 

[Ozrat]

Actually, Protestants are a distinct minority of Christanity. Catholiscism is as big as Islam, and Orthodoxy is as large as the Bible Thumping strain of Protestantism, and massive in comparison to the Holy Rollers.

So, in short,
FUCK YOU!

Actually, this is a Pentacostal denomination. Seprent Handlers from the Church of God, to be more specific.

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Serprents have been a fundamental part spiritual beliefs and Religions since Ancient times and probably even prehistoric eras.

These are people who don't need a Minister or Priest to tell them the word and will of God because they have a one-to-one relationship with God themselves. They go into communal trances on a very regular basis. They are able to freely express themselves physically, emotionally and spiritually without fear of retribution amongst themselves. These Christians personally know their Holy Father and Spirit.

How dare you try to imply that your "religion" is somehow more "pure", "rational" or maybe even "better" than these true Christians. These are people who can survive tossing live rattlesnakes between each other, drinking various poisons and holding fire and other hot objects because their God is protecting them. And if they should die, its because God has chosen that to be their time to leave the Mortal Coil.

An interviewer for National Public Radio asked me recently what had caused me to maintain contact over the years with a number of serpent handlers. My answer was that they are good friends. They are strong, courageous, ethical people. Some have remarkably gentle spirits, and some, I believe, would stand by me in the face of any opposition. I am proud of their friendship.

An especially compelling quality of most serpent handlers is that they are willing to die for their beliefs. Not only are they willing, they repeatedly verify that commitment directly and concretely. Like Matthew Arnold's Scholar Gypsy, they seek "the spark from heaven" whereas most of the people of the world are "Light half-believers of our casual creeds."

Give it up already CCR, these people are obviously more Christian than the followers of your belief can ever hope to be.

Thoughts?


EDIT:

For more information

 

[Wooz]

You're asking if my whole family emigrated out of Chiapas? Nope. My mother moved out with me and my brother a couple of years after my father passed away in 1995, but that was well over the whole armed phase of the uprising, and was mostly because there weren't any interesting/well paying jobs to do for her, as she was denied rectorship in an university for being a woman.

Most of my family on my father's side is still living in Chiapas/Mexico, and it's a rather big lot, as far as Mexican families go.

 

[John Uskglass]

Wait.

I thought you where Polish and your family emigrated to Mexico. Your entire family is from Mexico?

 

[Brother None]

That guy looks like he's in quite an amount of pain

Give it up already CCR, these people are obviously more Christian than the followers of your belief can ever hope to be.

...

Are you planning to explain yourself? pm? Mod forum? Explain yourself, either way

 

[Ozrat]

That guy looks like he's in quite an amount of pain

He's not though. He's in a trance at the moment, and is most likely speaking in tongue as well. He is in direct contact with a higher being at this moment.

Are you planning to explain yourself? pm? Mod forum? Explain yourself, either way

Are you saying that some "Christians" can go around here making these exact claims about other believes while others cannot? The best way I can explain myself is this: What goes around, comes around. I think you understand my point now.

 

[Wooz]

Wait.

I thought you where Polish and your family emigrated to Mexico. Your entire family is from Mexico?

It's even more complicated than that.

My father was Mexican, my mother is Polish. I was born in France. Grew up in Mexico, moved to France for a year, then moved to Poland.

 

[Brother None]

Are you saying that some "Christians" can go around here making these exact claims about other believes while others cannot? The best way I can explain myself is this: What goes around, comes around. I think you understand my point now.

I had no problem understanding your point previously. It's so blunt even Paladin Solo would get it.

Thing is, even though you're not a mod here, exemplary behaviour is expected of most, if not all of our mods.

Also, you're not making these statements because you believe in them, you're making them to provoke a response. Rather than "starting a debate", that's known as "trolling". And that, my friend, is against the rules.

Now I'm not bothered much by this, but starting a thread with a troll is a pretty big offense and I was hoping you'd have a better reason than "what goes around comes around" AKA "hé started it"

 

[Ozrat]

CCR, I'm curious...

What can you defend your believes with as to justify it against this LOGICALLY more superior and pure faith?

EDIT:

Also, you're not making these statements because you believe in them, you're making them to provoke a response. Rather than "starting a debate", that's known as "trolling". And that, my friend, is against the rules.

Now I'm not bothered much by this, but starting a thread with a troll is a pretty big offense and I was hoping you'd have a better reason than "what goes around comes around" AKA "hé started it"

But you're a bit wrong here. I *do* believe in these statements. That's not to say that I follow this religion, but I do believe that their faith is much stronger than any other Christian denomination. To paraphrase my Religion Anthropology professor, these people are in contact with their supreme being on a regular basis. These people do not depend on others to tell them what to believe and how to feel. They are allowed to express themselves wholely and completely.

These are people who have repeatedly healed people even after they have died from drinking poison simply through the power of prayer. These are people who can do physically impossible things. How anybody can imply that their faith is some how INFERIOR to others is simply beyond me.

I do, however, want CCR to explain to me with logic and ration how this isn't the case, especially since he does the same to just about every other belief that has been brought up here. I think its only fair that he can defend his religion against another one that has already been explained here.

 

[John Uskglass]

Wait.

I thought you where Polish and your family emigrated to Mexico. Your entire family is from Mexico?

It's even more complicated than that.

My father was Mexican, my mother is Polish. I was born in France. Grew up in Mexico, moved to France for a year, then moved to Poland.

So you can be a citizen of three countries? Cool.

How many languages do you speak?

 

[Brother None]

But you're a bit wrong here. I *do* believe in these statements. That's not to say that I follow this religion, but I do believe that their faith is much stronger than any other Christian denomination. To paraphrase my Religion Anthropology professor, these people are in contact with their supreme being on a regular basis. These people do not depend on others to tell them what to believe and how to feel. They are allowed to express themselves wholely and completely.

These are people who have repeatedly healed people even after they have died from drinking poison simply through the power of prayer. These are people who can do physically impossible things. How anybody can imply that their faith is some how INFERIOR to others is simply beyond me.

I do, however, want CCR to explain to me with logic and ration how this isn't the case, especially since he does the same to just about every other belief that has been brought up here. I think its only fair that he can defend his religion against another one that has already been explained here.

Meh, fair enough

CC, planning to reply or...?