Red Thread Redemption

I last played RDR2 on a base release PS4 that was slowly dying as I played it. Next couple months I'm gonna replay it on the PS5 - should be an interesting experience I reckon. RDR2 is still one of if not the most beautiful game I've seen.
 
CT Phipps said:
REPLAYING RED DEAD REDEMPTION 2: I have to say I very much enjoyed the dynamic weirdness of this game, which is always a plus in Rockstar but was especially the craziness of the Elle Bounty. I'm going after the Black Widow, find her with her sweet heart, and then try to lasso her but end up lassoing him instead before accidentally pulling him into the fire. She's like, "Wow, that was terrible of you. Stupid guy."

Then on the way back with the Bounty, I accidentally smash into a man riding another horse, who pulls a gun me, so I grab him and knock him out. However, I have spooked my horse and because it's night out, I accidentally approach the Stranger's horse who kicks me
in the head when I try and mount him. All the while Ellie laughing and taunting me for being a moron.

By the time Arthur gets back to the Sheriff's department, he has only one thing to say, "I hope you hang her."

Re: Dutch

I think Dutch is an interesting case of a villain being in over their heads rather than a protagonist. Dutch is a educated gentleman bandit with a lot of empathy as we see with Sadie (at least in the context that he takes her in while robbing her blind). However, by the Blackwater Heist onward, he's utterly fucked them and the situation keeps getting worse because all of his plans were dependent on being rich--which they are manifestly not.

The only good option is to split up the gang and go their separate ways, change their identities or even just reduce the size of the gang to 4 or 5 people who can move swiftly. However, this is Dutch's family and kingdom so he can't do that and he gets them all killed.
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I think Dutch didn’t want to let any of the gang go because he loses his legitimacy without them. Without the idea of the commune, Dutch is “just another outlaw”.
 
I've heard a lot of people love the game, but from everything that I've heard from people talking about the game, it sounds like it's a very bad game. The game is very realistic to the fact that a lot of things feel as tedious as doing the real thing. Everything takes so long to do and the map is so big it takes forever to get anywhere. The horses are so realistic that their testicles shrivel up in the cold (a point so impressive that everyone talking about the game has to bring it up at least once). The game is so long that it feels like a second job.
 
It definitely can be, but it all depends on whether you can overlook that in favor of enjoyment. Some people can’t.
 
MayonaiseCream said:
I've heard a lot of people love the game, but from everything that I've heard from people talking about the game, it sounds like it's a very bad game. The game is very realistic to the fact that a lot of things feel as tedious as doing the real thing. Everything takes so long to do and the map is so big it takes forever to get anywhere. The horses are so realistic that their testicles shrivel up in the cold (a point so impressive that everyone talking about the game has to bring it up at least once). The game is so long that it feels like a second job.
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I feel like its an argument for immersion. It is the first game I genuinely have stopped to admire the scenery in and take photographs to look at later.

I will say the controls are somewhat terrible.

I accidentally strangled a woman on the way to robbing the Doctor's office. I also had fun in that scene when I gunned down 3 O'Driscol boys in the room, then the prostitute with them drew a gun on me. I'd made the cardinal Wild West error of assuming the woman wasn't part of the gang herself.

Shame, Arthur!
 
To Chapter 3 now in my replay.

Dutch has got to be the dumbest criminal who ever lived. His plan is to "lie low" in the sleepy town of Rhodes and the NEXT SENTENCE is to go after the two largest families present that include the Sheriff's department as part of their purview.

Clearly no one has told him. "Don't shit where you eat."
 
Any tips or recs for a 2nd playthrough of RDR2? It feels like such a huge game I'm pretty sure I missed a bunch.

Any thoughts on what chapter is the best to stop and explore shit for as long as possible?
 
The chapter when you get to Lemonye is a good one to start collecting things. that way you can knock out bunch of them and won't be overwhelmed by more later. Also a good time to get all the Satchel Upgrades, being able to hold 100 of things means you never let items go to waste. Hip firing with the Cattlemen Revolver loaded with High Velocity or Express Ammo kills quicker than most expect. and it should since it is the Colt Single Action Army, the greatest handgun ever made. Convert all your normal ammo to split since it is a straight upgrade and you can do it for free.
 
TheGM said:
it should since it is the Colt Single Action Army, the greatest handgun ever made.
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I second the Rhodes part. A lot of collectibles become more common then, like the Civil War hats you can steal
 
I more meant story wise but good to know gameplay wise it's a good point since I remember that chapter being very relaxed
 
Some more commentary on my playthrough:
  • Made it to Chapter 3
  • A moment of great hilarity is when Arthur rescued Albert Mason from falling off a cliff, I went to look at what he was looking at and fell to my death.
  • I am enjoying the Romeo and Juliet plotline so far but I note that they're both slaving asshats so I'm not sure why I should care.
  • The game acknowledges this and I had the opportunity to kill a penniless homeless former slave catcher after burning his prized possessions—which I did. BOOM - headshot.
  • Margaret's Animal Show was incredible and I am very happy. I kind of wish his lovely assistant played a bigger show.
  • I feel like I really would like a more powerful revolver or rifle, though, because I keep dying in ambushes due to the fact the people I shoot take three or four shots to bring down. The incredible realism throws me.
  • I actually am wondering how Leopold Strauss thinks he's supposed to make money on all this. He's actually a really crappy money lender and I feel like if I was going to shake down people off the streets, I'd make more money.
  • I found the guy dressed up in a kid's sailor suit beneath the Rhodes Gunshop. I'm not sure if I should have shot him or not and I think Arthur was too weirded out to. I'm not buying his story about missing his son at all.
  • I wonder what Molly wanted to talk about before Uncle got us pissing off Leviticus Cornwall again.
There's a kind of sad story here where Arthur met a woman in distress on the road. She promptly pulled a gun on him and tried to rob him, only for Arthur to casually pull his gun out and put her down. From there, he heard them shout, "ABIGAIL!" which caused Arthur to seize up before he killed them both.

What was noticeably was he was delivering a stage coach he'd stolen at the time to Emerald Ranch when it despawned around him. My in-universe theory being that an unknown member of the gang panicked and stole it.

Arthur realizing he'd killed a bunch of people just like him and the girl he secretly loved and would probably end just like them.

It was a weird, "Martha! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!?" moment.
 
Nearly 2 year old thread, but I loved RDR 2.

My personal favorite R* game and one of my top 10 or 5 games ever (depending on the day).

Gonna try and do another playthrough this summer, but I'm fairly busy so we shall see how that pans out.
 
CT Phipps said:
Some more commentary on my playthrough:
  • Made it to Chapter 3
  • A moment of great hilarity is when Arthur rescued Albert Mason from falling off a cliff, I went to look at what he was looking at and fell to my death.
  • I am enjoying the Romeo and Juliet plotline so far but I note that they're both slaving asshats so I'm not sure why I should care.
  • The game acknowledges this and I had the opportunity to kill a penniless homeless former slave catcher after burning his prized possessions—which I did. BOOM - headshot.
  • Margaret's Animal Show was incredible and I am very happy. I kind of wish his lovely assistant played a bigger show.
  • I feel like I really would like a more powerful revolver or rifle, though, because I keep dying in ambushes due to the fact the people I shoot take three or four shots to bring down. The incredible realism throws me.
  • I actually am wondering how Leopold Strauss thinks he's supposed to make money on all this. He's actually a really crappy money lender and I feel like if I was going to shake down people off the streets, I'd make more money.
  • I found the guy dressed up in a kid's sailor suit beneath the Rhodes Gunshop. I'm not sure if I should have shot him or not and I think Arthur was too weirded out to. I'm not buying his story about missing his son at all.
  • I wonder what Molly wanted to talk about before Uncle got us pissing off Leviticus Cornwall again.
There's a kind of sad story here where Arthur met a woman in distress on the road. She promptly pulled a gun on him and tried to rob him, only for Arthur to casually pull his gun out and put her down. From there, he heard them shout, "ABIGAIL!" which caused Arthur to seize up before he killed them both.

What was noticeably was he was delivering a stage coach he'd stolen at the time to Emerald Ranch when it despawned around him. My in-universe theory being that an unknown member of the gang panicked and stole it.

Arthur realizing he'd killed a bunch of people just like him and the girl he secretly loved and would probably end just like them.

It was a weird, "Martha! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!?" moment.
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Yeah the kid in the sailor costume I saved.

I then robbed the register.
 
I am now finally finished with Chapter 4 due to a huge amount of faffing about. I was initially of the mind that Saint Dennis would be a less enjoyable part of the game because it was so far away from the Wild West motifs of the other areas but I was proven wrong since that's the point.

Some random observations:

* The Electric Chair mission was brutal and another example of Values Dissonance because apparently someone in the past DID decide the electric chair was more humane and replaced the relatively effective technique of hanging by noose with something that cooks you alive.

I admit, though, that I am of the mind Arthur would mostly care about the fact that he didn't paid for it. I also was annoyed that I couldn't turn over the plans to Marko Dragic to make a better version. Would have solved a lot of his problems and he would have done it much better!

* Mary Linton and Arthur really don't do anything for me as a couple but I think that is the point. She's meant to be a deconstruction of a lot of romances and the fact they are kind of terrible for one another works well. I do wonder if Arthur was originally meant to have a better one with Abigail (which we know wouldn't work out) or Sadie. I also like that their problems are more "realistic" in the fact she uses him a lot and doesn't want a relationship despite it.

* Angelo Bronte is really a character that didn't need to die. Dutch is using completely nonsensical "logic" to go after him. The local mobster humiliated him but now he figures if he kills the Don then the police, government, and mobsters will be LESS likely to be looking for them as they pull off a big bank job. However, Dutch's pride is wounded. I also think he may have a concussion, though I don't think he would act any differently.

* Ironically, Dutch NOT killing people is also screwing him over. Slaughtering the Braitwaites, Angelo, and others certainly makes a lot of problems but leaving alive Leviticus Cornwall, Cohm O'Driscoll, and the Pinkerton agents trailing him is a mistake too. The big issue is not that killing them would ruin them--it's that Dutch would kill them and make damn sure everyone KNEW who killed them. As Game of Thrones said, "If you're a famous smuggler, you're doing it wrong."

I choose to imagine the best thing Jack Marston ever had over his dad and Dutch would be that he gunned down Edgar Ross WITHOUT giving his name.

* Its funny how free roam contrasts to regular. Saint Dennis is an awesome place to visit before Chapter 4 and you have no end of fun visiting the shops, barber locales, and more. Then when you visit in story, Arthur is like, "What a wretched hive that is close to Hell on Earth."

* I saved Mark Johnson but it was funny that it was the 2nd hanging I'd attended with the first being the guy who I brought to have his arm amputated. He called to me to rescue him and I had no idea who he was until I checked it on the internet. Poor Arthur. No one he saves lives (Johnson is gunned down in Saint Dennis).
 
The whole Mary Linton relationship was kind of genius in that she’s just the worst love interest for Arthur, and both characters realize it. Arthur doesn’t want to admit it, and Mary already has, and would rather use him. It’s kind of fucked up, honestly.
 
Many years too late, I have finished Red Dead Redemption 2 and left Micah dead on a snowy mountaintop. Now it's on to Resident Evil: Village or Watch_Dogs: Legion.
 
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