Regarding three silly reasons that Fallout 3 is Stupid.

[Silencer]

No, you can't beat the game

[spoiler:d26f3eb2f5]Goading someone to perform suicide isn't same as killing, unless we're in St. Charles County[/spoiler:d26f3eb2f5].

You're gonna be sorry if that's really true.

[spoiler:d26f3eb2f5]Yeah. I already know where in Zachodniopomorskie he lives ;-F[/spoiler:d26f3eb2f5]

 

[thefalloutfan]

3. Fallout 3 is stupid because you can't go from start to finish using dialog only.


Yes you can, one guy did it while only killing one radroach, probably in the tutorial.

 

[Ausir]

Even Van Buren's storyline affirmed the remnants of the Enclave with Presper, a scientist who was going to use a government satellite to spread a virus across America and make it safe for pure bloods.

In the final version of the design docs, Presper was not part of the Enclave, he was born in the NCR.

 

[rcorporon]

In the final version of the design docs, Presper was not part of the Enclave, he was born in the NCR.

I love this guy... but not in a "Brokeback Mountain" kind of way.

He's our walking / typing FO encyclopedia.

 

[Jim Cojones]

3. Fallout 3 is stupid because you can't go from start to finish using dialog only.


Yes you can, one guy did it while only killing one radroach, probably in the tutorial.

It was some time ago and game has grown much bigger since then. That's what Emil Pagliarulo said after Polish magazine had written that you'll be able to finish the game without killing anyone:

EP[/url]]I've found that, occasionally with European non-English mags, some stuff gets lost in translation. I think this is one of those cases.

We've been pretty upfront before about the fact that we haven't designed the game so you could complete it without killing anyone. You can play MUCH of Fallout 3 without killing people, and there are options to talk your way through just about every situation in the game. But it's a crazy, violent world out there, and you're going to have to defend yourself at times.

It still doesn't mean that game in which you're forced to use brutal force several times must be stupid.

 

[Cow]

Eh? It wasn't designed to test man's adaptability in space. It was a social experiment, yes, but space didn't enter into it.

The Vault project was originally designed to test man's adaptability in space. Remember the spaceship in Chinatown? The reason it failed was because something happened (probably related to those aliens or whatever weird mutants you fought in the cargo hold; the story was pretty hazy in that area).

IDK, the Enclave has been kept pretty hush hush in Fallout 3 but with 100+ vaults across America I simply can't believe Black Isle didn't originally intend them to have remnants across the country. It was their vault; they funded the project for a specific purpose.

Even then, I'm getting the sneaking suspicion that the Enclave actually doesn't exist in Fallout 3. The propaganda bots are actually pre-war technology (they probably floated around the suburbs much like politicians drove around in cities during WWII). Howard mentioned the president's name at the public demo but I didn't catch it although it sounded a lot like Dick Richardson who's dead. If anything, the Enclave in Fallout 3 is probably limited to whatever robots that didn't get destroyed during the war.

 

[Tagaziel]

Nope, it exists and is tangible. The new president is John Henry Eden.

 

[Texas Renegade]

Plus, they show the vertibird dropping off enclave soldiers.

But still, I agree, it makes sense for a shadow government to secure bases throughout the U.S. for the restablishment of the Government after the war and for the siezing of the social experiments and "cattle" from the vaults.

 

[Sander]

The Vault project was originally designed to test man's adaptability in space.

No, it wasn't. It really, really wasn't.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_experiment
No space, no nothing.

Remember the spaceship in Chinatown? The reason it failed was because something happened (probably related to those aliens or whatever weird mutants you fought in the cargo hold; the story was pretty hazy in that area).

What the hell does the spaceship in Chinatown have to do with the Vault experiment?

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

I like the idea for a link between the Vaults and the spaceship in San Fransisco but unfortunate you are wrong.

Actually I also had the idea that the Vaults were the Enclave's experiments to find out if the their space program had any chance of success.

I shared an idea based on that assumption with Sander.

 

[daemonofdecay]

But still, I agree, it makes sense for a shadow government to secure bases throughout the U.S. for the restablishment of the Government after the war and for the siezing of the social experiments and "cattle" from the vaults.

Yeah, its not really a shadow government until its governing something.

Of course, they would actually need to be controlling another government that would be governing, but you get my point.

 

[Ausir]

Even then, I'm getting the sneaking suspicion that the Enclave actually doesn't exist in Fallout 3. The propaganda bots are actually pre-war technology (they probably floated around the suburbs much like politicians drove around in cities during WWII). Howard mentioned the president's name at the public demo but I didn't catch it although it sounded a lot like Dick Richardson who's dead. If anything, the Enclave in Fallout 3 is probably limited to whatever robots that didn't get destroyed during the war.

We saw a vertibird dropping off Enclave soldiers in a new Power Armor model.

I like the idea for a link between the Vaults and the spaceship in San Fransisco but unfortunate you are wrong.

No, it wasn't. It really, really wasn't.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_experiment
No space, no nothing.

The San Fran space shuttle is unrelated, but according to Tim Cain the Vault Experiment *was* designed to prepare the Enclave to their space program better.

 

[Skynet 2.0]

IDK, the Enclave has been kept pretty hush hush in Fallout 3 but with 100+ vaults across America I simply can't believe Black Isle didn't originally intend them to have remnants across the country. It was their vault; they funded the project for a specific purpose.

The Enclave's base was in the oil rig. They had started expanding to try to reinstate the US goverment, but all they had done by the time of Fallout 2 was set up several small outposts like Navarro, and scout old military bases for useful stuff. They had set the whole thing up ahead of time in preparation of the war, so why wouldn't they set up some system to monitor the Vaults from the base?

Also, according to the Fallout Wiki :
[spoiler:9f9dc2e2a7]The real reason for the existence of these Vaults was to study pre-selected segments of the population to see how they react to the stresses of isolationism and how successfully they either re-colonize Earth or colonize another planet after the Vault opens.[/spoiler:9f9dc2e2a7]

 

[reticulate]

The Vault project was originally designed to test man's adaptability in space.

No, it wasn't. It really, really wasn't.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_experiment
No space, no nothing.

Remember the spaceship in Chinatown? The reason it failed was because something happened (probably related to those aliens or whatever weird mutants you fought in the cargo hold; the story was pretty hazy in that area).

What the hell does the spaceship in Chinatown have to do with the Vault experiment?

You might want to check that link again. It quite obviously mentions an intention to go to another planet.

 

[Sander]

You might want to check that link again. It quite obviously mentions an intention to go to another planet.

Actually, it says that it was an experiment on succesful re-colonization regardless of planet, which is a significant difference with finding out how people survive in space.

But yes, apparently there was more of a space-oriented approach than I thought.

 

[Ausir]

You do realize that the wiki is not infallible and that I rephrased that passage twice during your conversation?

 

[Sander]

You do realize that the wiki is not infallible and that I rephrased that passage twice during your conversation?

You're not infallible? When did that happen?

Where's the source for the space thing, anyway?

 

[Ausir]

You're not infallible? When did that happen?

I'm not saying I'm not. But other people edit the wiki too.

Where's the source for the space thing, anyway?

Problem is, currently the only source are several people's (e.g. Saint Proverbius and me) private conversations with Tim Cain (including at least one IRC discussion, but at least neither me nor Saint saved the logs), so I can't add a reference link for it in the article - you have to take my (our) word for it.

I remember that did post it online at least once years ago as well, but I'm afraid it was (IIRC) at Vault13.net, which does not exist anymore (I tried to find it in the Wayback Machine, but was not successful).