Relax?!

Palmtree said:
Summary of the thread so far:

extarbags said:
The fanboi emperor has no clothes!

Obsessive fanbois said:
OMFG ban him, ban him, ban him!

Seriously, extarbags was a bit flippant, but banning him for saying that just maybe it wasn't some kind of disaster that Bethesda could revive a franchise that was almost dead and that you lot acting like you had some kind of divine insight on how a proper Fallout game should be is just ridiculous, that's plain arrogant.

Why I have a feeling that you were previously called "exarbags"
 
Sovz said:
Why I have a feeling that you were previously called "exarbags"

Yes, I am really exarbags!, extarbags evil twin! You found me out, and foiled my fool-proof plan of world domination.

Get over yourself already.
 
Palmtree said:
Seriously, extarbags was a bit flippant, but banning him for saying that just maybe it wasn't some kind of disaster that Bethesda could revive a franchise that was almost dead and that you lot acting like you had some kind of divine insight on how a proper Fallout game should be is just ridiculous, that's plain arrogant.

We banned him because he was clearly baiting and trolling and so are you, so bye..

And we know how to create a good Fallout game, do remember that some of us have/do work in the industry..
 
Seriously, extarbags was a bit flippant, but banning him for saying that just maybe it wasn't some kind of disaster that Bethesda could revive a franchise that was almost dead and that you lot acting like you had some kind of divine insight on how a proper Fallout game should be is just ridiculous, that's plain arrogant.

We don't have divine insight, no of course not; we do have over half a decade of Fallout playing experience though (that's as close to *devine* as you can get). I've been playing Fallout for 6 years now, I know the game, trust me.

Let me ask you a question and try to put things into perspective, what is your favorite RPG? Whatever it is, take the foundation of the game and totally change it into something else. Thats how we feel.
 
I have been playing Fallout since its first DOS incarnation, and any person who thinks Fallout can be successful without S.P.E.C.I.A.L. , Turn based, or Isometric perspective is just pissing in the wind when they say it can be better without those design concepts.



Cheers Thorgrimm
 
extarbags said:
Second, I find it hilarious that you think that posting on a fanboy forum places you "in the industry."

Yes, because posting on a fanboy forum is the only thing we do.

How dumb are you?

extarbags said:
Once again, I love how I'm the troll, when I'm the only guy here who isn't freaking out and saying the game will be crap and talking about setting Bethesda's offices on fire. You guys are too much.

Palmtree said:
Seriously, extarbags was a bit flippant, but banning him for saying that just maybe it wasn't some kind of disaster that Bethesda could revive a franchise that was almost dead and that you lot acting like you had some kind of divine insight on how a proper Fallout game should be is just ridiculous, that's plain arrogant.

No. Disagreeing with us doesn't mean freedom of speech protects him from banning.

He's allowed to have a dissenting opinion. It is not his right to paint us off as a bunch of unthinking morons because he has a different opinion.

Look at his posts and ask yourself, what was his intention? Was it to provoke thought, or just to piss people off?

Sarkus said:
So, why exactly did Bethesda go after this license, and even decide to increase their bid? And don't give the standard "money" answer. That makes no sense. The failure of FOBOS should make it very clear that just slapping "Fallout" on something won't make any money.

I doubt Bethesda would have shelled out money for the Fallout license without the intent to do something that would appeal to the existing fanbase.

Visit message boards other than this one. You'll see that the response by Fallout fans to the possiblity that Bethesda's Fallout 3 might not be an isometric turn-based game is not so universally negative as it appears to be here.

Actually, what with DaC being gone, pretty much, RPGCodex and NMA are the two centers of the Fallout fanbase, at least that I know of. Of those two, NMA is generally the more positive ones

Believe me, when someone manages to piss off a person like Mr. Teatime within a day of announcing that they have the license, something is definitely wrong.

Also, do not mix things up here. There're people who're fans of Fallout in a kind of "yeah, it was a good game"-way, and they'll look forward to a Morrowind in a Fallout package.

Actual fans don't look forward to someone changing everything that makes the game Fallout. How can you call yourself a fan if you accept enormous changes being made? Then you're not a fan of Fallout, just of RPGs in general. That's good for you, and your opinion is just as valid, but you're not really a "Falout fan", but more a "CRPG fan"
 
Sarkus said:
So, why exactly did Bethesda go after this license, and even decide to increase their bid? And don't give the standard "money" answer. That makes no sense. The failure of FOBOS should make it very clear that just slapping "Fallout" on something won't make any money.

I thought it would have been obvious since FOT. With F:POS, it's easily obvious that some people don't pay attention well. Oh, hey...it's you again.

I doubt Bethesda would have shelled out money for the Fallout license without the intent to do something that would appeal to the existing fanbase.

What, like shallow fanservice? If they plan on changing the formula of TB/iso/SPECIAL, they're already running uphill and I doubt there's little else that could make it appeal in the eyes of the fans. The old-timers are those who do go around and spread word of mouth, and we do talk to the editors at other sites. We know how they feel. Did you ever wonder why more people jumped onto the prospect of a Fallout CRPG than a Fallout spin-off? I would think that it would be due to wanting another CRPG as good as Fallout, as the name implies, and not see someone take Fallout from its P&P RPG roots, again.

Yet again, you display no clue of game design, even in a superficial way. Yet you're trying to act as an apologist and if one game works well in a FP view, then it must be good for other games as well. Do I need to point out how stupid you sound (again), or is it obvious to even yourself at this point?

Visit message boards other than this one. You'll see that the response by Fallout fans to the possiblity that Bethesda's Fallout 3 might not be an isometric turn-based game is not so universally negative as it appears to be here.

The same was said about FOT and F:POS. A lot of those people wouldn't know how to think of design unless they are actually playing the game, as I've pointed out before. Quit with the empty waffling, please. We've heard it before for F:POS, and there managed to be someone who could put forth a more coherent argument than you've ever managed, someone who does have a clue about design.

You're still wholly ignorant as to the changes that would be required to the core of the game's design (including character system design) that will have to be implemented for any kind of view other than isometric or iso/adjustable, a fact that you've constantly put your brain on "Retarded" every time I've brought that up, and you've never really had a reply to that. I'm seriously thinking it is because you honestly have no idea how to.
 
Kharn said:
He's allowed to have a dissenting opinion. It is not his right to paint us off as a bunch of unthinking morons because he has a different opinion.

And yet Roshambo has been calling me a "moron" and "shit head" in this and other threads, despite the fact that I have not used personal attacks against him, and he's still here.

Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
 
Oooh, ban-happy mods on a power trip. Purge the boards of dissenters! Bring forth the Fallout inguisition! None shall dare go against the collective beliefs of a herd of self-absorbed fanbois, and their delusional catassases of admin tenders.

I swear, you people are just insane. Playing a good game does not mean you know how to make a good game. Trying to get some cred by claiming that a yet-to-be-named bunch of you yahoos is in "the industry" is just pathetic, calling Bethesda on shitty decisions that HAVE NOT YET BEEN MADE PUBLIC is probably the pinnacle of delusional asshattery.

You guys suck. You do not deserve a Fallout 3. Nor do you deserve Fallout 1 or 2. Hell, you don't deserve to play minesweeper. They should just herd the lot of you group-thinking sheep into an asylum for safe keeping before you start grabbing the torches and pitchforks and go storm Bethesda's offices.

In closing. I am palmtree. I am not extarbags.
 
Sarkus said:
And yet Roshambo has been calling me a "moron" and "shit head" in this and other threads, despite the fact that I have not used personal attacks against him, and he's still here.

Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Yes, it is, but that's because this forum is also a community. A community always has rankings. There are people that have earned everyone's respect, there are newbs. There's quite a difference between the two.

Rosh has been around longer than anyone, literally, we all know him and know that while he might be very extreme, rude and insane at times, he's rarely unjust and always thinks before he speaks.

Because everyone knows and respects Rosh, he has the right to do as he pleases. Heck, he runs the forum together with us other admins, tho' it's still Odin's forum.

You? You we don't know. Same goes for extrabags. He comes on here and starts talking shit. Yet he has never earned the right to do so. That's what sets them apart
 
You're assmeat in my opinion, until you have a clue what the hell is going on around here, STFU and read like a good little boy until you've got a clue.
 
Well let me tell you something GreenR**********, you do not deserve the name of radscorpion, as it is evident a little turd like you has NO concept of what Fallout really is. We true fans will not give in to snot-nosed punks like you who think they know everything about games, when they have not even posted more than once on THE premier Fallout site. That shows your level of dedication, nothing. Just a little punk that is a know-it-all mamma's boy whining in the dark! :twisted: :evil:



Thorgrimm
 
Sarkus said:
And yet Roshambo has been calling me a "moron" and "shit head" in this and other threads, despite the fact that I have not used personal attacks against him, and he's still here.

Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

You keep posting the same garbage as a reply, when I've already pointed out the crux of the problem, and you're too busy trying to see that if you post it enough times, it might become true.

I'm sorry, but discussion doesn't work like that. If you're going to post straw man arguments and bullshit waffle without any basis, then there must be some other purpose for you in the threads. You haven't been posting opinion, which is a different thing than posting straw man arguments in regards to game design. So far, aside from a bit of amusement, you've been nothing more than a waste of bandwidth.

GreenNewbie said:
(Snip a lot of irrelevant bullshit.)

Well, since you don't like to bother reading and enjoy trying for attention, you can seek it elsewhere. Goodbye.
 
Odin said:
NERDZ said:
S.P.E.C.I.A.L.F? (F standing for fanboyism), since you know, the game is about to hit the shelves isn't it?

You know what fanboyism is right ? Had you bothered to look you would have seen that we aren't fanboys, we're the ones that speak up.. If a dev tells me he wants to do a shitty idea, I'll call it shit....


Why instead of telling what idea is shit, the fallout community don't try to come actually with good ideas and suggestions? remember that you (not only this forum, of course) are what fallout became today. man, bethesda just started to think about fo3. and one thing is certain: you don't want interplay's FO3. you don't want Bethesda's FO3. you don't want Troika's FO3(no you don't). you want your fallout, with your input. it will take more than a year to complete it. so if you really don't want fallout being raped, you must act. not negatively bitching in a forum where the developers prefer to stay away since they only get flamed, but annoy the hell out of them in a healthy way, with constructive critics(unlike "this game will suck and i'm not gonna buy it"). if the developers had some incentive, positive input and good suggestions, they may try to make a game that will please (most of) us. and by the way, the idea of morrowind with guns is absurd. i'm sure the TES fans would be as much displeased as us if their game were to be raped with an post-apocaliptic scenario.
 
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