Roots and influences

docholyday

First time out of the vault
Some of them have been obvious, some not so obvious. Anyone else have have any odd ideas that the creators drew from to creat Fallout? Books, cartoons, movies, music, politics, whatever. Let me hear it....
 
Canticle for Leibovitz, Mad Max 2 & 3, Wasteland.

I think you can also name every second post-nuclear movie ever produced and it will fit in somewhere.

If you include the easter eggs and references, the list will get a bit long.
 
agreed, no easter eggs IE monty python, mainly im speaking of the origional Fallout, not so much the laters, which fed off of the first.
 
Many sci-fi pulps from the 40's to 60's era. The Vault Dweller was very Silver Age of comics in style in regards to the vault suit, but besides that things turn much darker, befitting a lot more of the sci-fi writing of that time. The reason why I mention the pulp as the strongest point is because the action of fighting being more pugilism-based than something from wu xia, also follow along with that style.

A good movie I would have to cite references from, especially due to the radscorpions, is THEM!

/me lovingly smiles at an original THEM! movie poster framed on the wall.

Another would be a social concern of that time, the Roswell UFO sightings. The Cuban Missile Crisis. A lot of other early Cold War material.

Fallout initially had a sprinkling of more modern sci-fi influences, but only if they really fit into the theme. A Boy and His Dog is one of note. After the poor handling and management surrounding Fallout 2, anything remotely sci-fi That diluted the setting too much with poorly-written material which should be ignored. A few easter eggs and references are good, but those in Fallout show style rather than inclusion for the sake of it like Fallout 2 and FOT.

The intro music of the Fallout series is a big one. You can generally anticipate if a game is going to suck or not on this aspect.

Fallout had Maybe, which was a slow, optomistic song given what it was put alongside. It gave a bittersweet irony and then a desolate feeling once the last shred of media was cut off.

A Kiss to Build a Dram On was another good choice, although the intro was a tad bland compared to that of Fallout's. It had potential to add a lot more feeling but comparatively it fell flat given that the inro movie didn't do much to add feeling besides show a safety cartoon, which did fit the setting but didn't feel that heavy as an intro. I could see a better intro with more feeling if it had used another important media aspect popular to that time and relevant to Fallout's style - a partially-burned Vault Dweller's guide that looks a bit like the spiral-bound manuals (which is a bit like the FEMA guides of the nuke scare), but flips forward in the wind to explain events. The camera pulls back to show it is then used by ignorant tribals to help start a fire, or a number of other ways to show irony. But that's a matter of style preference.

FOT had a generic guitar riff that turned out as misplaced as many of the other elements in the game.

And F:POS has a generic media whore album compilation because that's "trendy" to have despite the songs getting repetitiously annoying, fast. Sound and background music should be an important aspect, versus being a genre mix of those stupid compilation CDs they are always hawking on TV that always has one song you completely loathe.

I'm also working on this topic for one of the articles I'm writing. (I know people are tired of hearing that by now, but much of this is also included into them so it saves time.)
 
now THAT is a solid reply! I agree on just about all points, especialy your idea for FO2 intro, i actualy came up with the same one a few weeks ago to open the Fallout video project im working on (part of the reason for this thread), and i managed to scrounge up some 50's CivilDefense brochures about the dangers of Fallout and such and wanted to have it flaping in the wind,going through pages before it blew away to reveal the decimated town.
 
Here is a copy of page 152/153 of the Fallout PnP Rules.I dont know if this is what the authors of Fallout used for ideas but here it goes...

Books

Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank. Available from Harper Perennial, 1999.
Apocalypse Movies: End of the World Cinema by Kim Newman. Available from Griffin Trade
Paperbacks, 1998.
Bangs and Whimpers: Stories About the End of the World, edited by James Frenkel.
Available from Lowell House, 1999.
Cat’s Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut. Available from Bantam-Doubleday Dell, 1963.
Danse Macabre by Stephen King. Available from Viking, 1981.
Earth by David Brin. Available from Bantam Books, 1990.
Earth Abides by George R. Stewart. Available from Fawcett Books, 1989.
The Effects of Nuclear Weapons: 3rd Edition (1977), edited by Samuel Glasstone and
Philip J. Dolan. Available from United States Department of Defense, 1977.
Lucifer’s Hammer by Larry Niven and Jerru Pournelle. Available from Fawcett
Paperbacks, 1977.
The New Madrid Run by Michael Resig. Available from Clear Creek Press, 1998.
On the Beach by Nevil Shute. Available from Ballantine Mass Market Paperback, 1989.
The Postman by David Brin. Available from Bantam Books, 1997.
The Stand: Complete and Uncut by Stephen King. Available from the New American
Library, 1991.
153
The Third World War: August 1985 by General Sir John Hackett, et al. Available from
McMillan, 1979.

Movies

Atomic Journeys: Welcome to Ground Zero, 1999 documentary, directed by Peter Kuran.
The Atomic Café, 1983 documentary, directed by Jayne Loader and Kevin Rafferty.
A Boy and His Dog, 1975 post-nuclear action, directed by L.Q. Jones. Based on a
novella by Harlan Ellison.
The Day After, 1983 made-for-television movie.
Mad Max, The Road Warrior, and Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, 1979, 1981, and 1985 postnuclear
action.
Nukes in Space: The Rainbow Bombs, 2000 documentary, directed by Peter Kuran.
On the Beach, 1959 drama.
On the Beach, 2000 drama (miniseries).
The Postman, 1997 post-nuclear action/drama/epic, directed by and starring Kevin
Costner.
Stephen King’s The Stand, 1994 miniseries.
Threads, 1985 made-for-television movie.
Trinity and Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie, 1997 documentary, directed by Peter Kuran.
Waterworld, 1995 post-nuclear wet-n-wild action, directed by Kevin Reynolds.
 
Daron said:
Movies

The Postman, 1997 post-nuclear action/drama/epic, directed by and starring Kevin Costner.
...
Waterworld, 1995 post-nuclear wet-n-wild action, directed by Kevin Reynolds.
Holy fuck NO!
 
I'll agree on a "no" on the Costner flicks.

I am surprised nobody has mentioned Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, yet. :)
 
"Them" (1954) would also be a good reference when it comes to giant insects (the ants or the radscorpions)
 
Macaco said:
Daron said:
Movies

The Postman, 1997 post-nuclear action/drama/epic, directed by and starring Kevin Costner.
...
Waterworld, 1995 post-nuclear wet-n-wild action, directed by Kevin Reynolds.
Holy fuck NO!

:lol: Ok forget them.Have any of you watched six string samurai?Its about a mad world like in A Boy And His Dog.SSS is not a very good movie but it find it very interesting.
 
SuAside said:
"Them" (1954) would also be a good reference when it comes to giant insects (the ants or the radscorpions)
A few posts earlier said:
A good movie I would have to cite references from, especially due to the radscorpions, is THEM!
:roll:

Well, I think it's weird that no one has mentioned Them! yet.

:roll:
 
whopsidaisy

took into account Darons post and crosschecked and stuff, but forgot about Roshy (whose post i had already long forgotten).

anyhow, i hereby apologize. no need to play roshambo Cartmanstyle over this.
 
im surprised no one mentioned The City of Lost Children (1995). Take a look at the lieutenants eye piece and tell me its not similar to that movies 'cyclops'. Also, Rony boy stared in the film, and if you havent seen it, you should...I'l leave it at that.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Realm/4869/cstcycl1.jpg

which reminds me, i also, personally, feel that the first one was very much inspired by John Carpenter's early to mid work (The Thing, Escape from New York, The Fog) if only for his different approach to the situations.
 
Well, the city of lost children has also the exploding oil rig.

But the cyclops' eye-piece was already used before, in other cyberpunk/futuristic productions.
 
Roshambo said:
I'll agree on a "no" on the Costner flicks.

I am surprised nobody has mentioned Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, yet. :)

Yep. Definetly Strangelove.
And hey! Waterworld wasn`t as bad as everyone likes to think it was. Just beacuase Kostner is drueling, over-patriotic, mediocre crapmonger doesn`t mean Waterworld didn`t have brilliant sets and beautifu decorations crap. The Atol was sometyhing I would love to see in Fallout3. Huge metal sandbreakers... Mmmm...

Which can``t be said about Postman...
 
Daron said:
:lol: Ok forget them.Have any of you watched six string samurai?Its about a mad world like in A Boy And His Dog.SSS is not a very good movie but it find it very interesting.
Is that a movie about a guitar player/swordfighter who leaves in a wasteland-ish world and seems to have slash from guns'n'roses as a mortal enemy? If that's it, i gotta say calling it "not a very good movie" to be pretty flattering..
 
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