Scarface

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What's up with everyone thinking this movie is cool? It's seriously one of the cheesiest movies I've ever seen, and I'm comparing it to other 80's movies. It has a simple and explicit message (drugs are bad but "protecting your family" is cool, m'kay) and the script is subpar. It's way too long, too. Is it just MTV douchebags and gangster wannabes that hype this movie, or do any of you actually think it's good?

Oh, and the final "this movie sucks more penis than Commando" moment was when they played "Push it to the limit" during a completely failed and ill-planned montage (was it even supposed to be a montage?).
 
Yeah, that montage was pretty bad.

Scarface...well, it had a lot more message back then. The soundtrack is generally pretty good, and the performances are ok.

I dunno, Scarface got pushed up a lot by, well, black people and hispanics loving it.

It's not a very good film, and there are significantly better maffia films out there (Godfather, Donny Brasco, Long Good Friday, King of New York). But Scarface does have a certain "coolness" and "style" about it. It's a very endearing film, even if it's not very good.

And don't dis Commando.
 
I'm not saying Al Pacino is a bad actor, but he was directed by an arsedonkey. His lines are terrible and retarded, as he presents himself as having the intelligence of a 5 year old child, someone who could never run a bussiness, legal or not.

The shootout at the end is the worst choreographed ever, beaten even by the one in Bad Taste.

And the accent... Ugh. Most unconvincing, uncertain and outright extravagant accent in a movie ever, and I'm including comedy flicks. The character also seemed to be rushed just before production.

Even for an 80's movie, the filters used and the lighting gave it more of a "Playboy" or "Hardcore pornography" feel than a "Hollywod high-budget movie" feel.

Sigh, I give it a 3/10, and I'm being generous. Can't believe I watched the whole thing.

I'm not dissing Commando, I'm just saying it's very, very homosexual.
 
The Overseer said:
I'm not dissing Commando, I'm just saying it's very, very homosexual.
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Screw you!

Arnold had to take off all his clothes to row his boat ashore wearing only his speedos for...ehr...esoteric reasons! Yeah!
 
Scarface is a great movie, never thought any less of it due to its popularity among 'rappers' and idiots in general.

The movie isn't a masterpiece but it is a classic gangster movie thats entertaining.
 
Overrated, and elongated.

People have too much respect for Pacino, I say screw that guy. If he would star in a German scheisse-movie, sitting on the floor while eating out of a bucket of cow diarrhea with a spoon, all the film critics across the globe would revel in it.
 
It's a meh movie to me. It might have been the cat's pyjamas back then, but now... meh.

The pastel-coloured suits were entertaining, tho'.
 
First let me say - Scarface is a good movie. Thats it. Not great, not shitty. Just good. And how can you complain about 80's montages. I mean, its the 80s! The first thing filmmakers were thinking when reading a script back then is "where can we put a montage sequence?"

That being said I think your right. Scarface is incredibly overrated. I don't even know if i would list it in my top 10 gangster movies (and there aren't THAT many gangster movies).
 
I like it because it's essentially MacBeth with coke and guns...

Which is a fact that I find incredibly funny when people take the message of the movie to be "Get to the top however possible!" instead of "Treachery and excess will fucking kill you"
 
Ok, I have to admit I like Scarface.

What you have is the basic gangster/hero story- in which an ambitious fellow comes to America, tries to achieve the American Dream, and dies in the process meets the popular story of the anti-hero who couldn't get ahead and went to crime to succeed, does succeed but his moral code brings him down.

These are archtype stories. The story of the bandit hero is common throughout the world.

Remember, what gets Tony Montana is not the Colombians so much as his own conscience- when he won't let the assassin blow up the car.

And it speaks to the consequence of cocaine on crime at a time when this issue was really hot- the transnationalization of crime, the immigrant experience, etc.

And there are some great scenes.

ANd some great lines-
I never fucked anybody over in my life didn't have it coming to them. You got that? All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one. Do you understand? That piece of shit up there, I never liked him, I never trusted him. For all I know he had me set up and had my friend Angel Fernandez killed. But that's history. I'm here, he's not. Do you wanna go on with me, you say it. You don't, then you make a move.

- classic badguy/hero line.

ANd I secretly lusted for Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio.
Not bad.
 
The best thing about Scarface is the cheesy "Push it to the Limit" song that together with on random newspaper ad created the "Safety Not Guaranteed" fad on YTMND.

I have done this way too many times before,
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Stock said:
Overrated, and elongated.
People have too much respect for Pacino, I say screw that guy.
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well, i say Pacino's great, and i also say go watch Glengarry Glen Ross and tell me he's not great.
 
TwinkieGorilla said:
well, i say Pacino's great, and i also say go watch Glengarry Glen Ross and tell me he's not great.
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Ok, "he's not great".

He's a highly overrated actor, his stage training means he generally overacts, and he's pretty one-dimensional.

He's good, but not great. He is an absolute catastrophy in some films, like S1mone or Heat. He's ok in some others, especially Scent of a Woman.
 
He was good in Heat, that I have to admit. Hell, even Val Kilmer was good in Heat. The latter is a sign of extraordinary directing, which it often comes down to (Keanu Reeves being an exception, he sucks more than a black hole).
 
The Overseer said:
He was good in Heat, that I have to admit.
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No, you're confusing the word "good" with "downright awful" again. When he starts waving his arms and shouting about chickens, I knew something was wrong. You can tell that both Al Pacino and Robert Deniro didn't give a shit about that movie, as Al Pacino gives a laughably bad overacting performance and Robert Deniro is disinterested through most of the movie.

A shame considering the reputation of both of them, but most people didn't seem to mind.
 
i always liked it... dunno why, but i think it's a decent movie. not great or anything, but it'll do.

much better than the filth they usually pump out these days anyway.
 
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