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The streetfight was awesome, one of the best scenes I've seen in any movie.
Scarface
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Heat is also very overrated, but it's got some kind of subtle stylishness completely missing in "over the top" Scarface, which is one of the worst movies of all time, considering it's status in society. Yes, society; there's a place for people with an IQ < 80: MTV.
Scarface is a great movie, Carlito's Way is better, thought.
Scarface isn't overrated. Godfathers and Goodfellas are overrated. I get bored every time I watch those movies, which is not very often, 'cos I don't like them. They are just too long. Same thing with The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, what's so great about it?
Have you guys seen American Gangster? To me, it was like a Kids version of Scarface. The movie was boring and lacked action. I suppose they couldn't made it to a bloodbath since it was based on true events.
Scarface isn't overrated. Godfathers and Goodfellas are overrated. I get bored every time I watch those movies, which is not very often, 'cos I don't like them. They are just too long. Same thing with The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, what's so great about it?
Have you guys seen American Gangster? To me, it was like a Kids version of Scarface. The movie was boring and lacked action. I suppose they couldn't made it to a bloodbath since it was based on true events.
HEAT overrated? nah... it's one of the few movies ever made where you can see the people know how to fucking handle guns. that's a merit in itself tbh, with all the hollywoodian crap.
only happened because the director i a gun nut like me and he forced all actors to take a week course of gun handling in the weapons they were going to use in the movie.
only happened because the director i a gun nut like me and he forced all actors to take a week course of gun handling in the weapons they were going to use in the movie.
welsh
Junkmaster
Yes, but only when she's in lentils.Wooz said:
Actually I liked Heat- I thought it was an interesting take on professional criminals. Liked Scarface. I agree about Goodfellas being a bit boring- but its just a mafia flick.
Godfather 1 and 2 are awesome.
SuAside said:
It's usually awful when people with one-track minds start applying this to everything. Seriously, SuA, who gives a shit?
Some of the best cinematography in cinematic history, maybe?
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Stag
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It's a field SuA knows about and is interested in, why shouldn't he be pleased when he sees it accurately shown in a movie?
Doesn't it perturb you in the slightest when you see the "hardcore gamer/nerd" character playing Quake 4 on a NES or some equally silly shit?
Doesn't it perturb you in the slightest when you see the "hardcore gamer/nerd" character playing Quake 4 on a NES or some equally silly shit?
Stag said:
He can be as pleased as he wants to be. His claim, however, was that the movie wasn't overrated because it has accurate portrayal of gun handling. That's just asstarded. I'm also happy if movies get cute little details right, but it's kind of silly to start identifying it with your own personal preferences so much that you think a movie that happens to agree well with your hobby is good per definition
Stag said:
I have no idea what this sentence is supposed to mean.
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Stag
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I never saw heat, and I wasn't really paying attention to the conversation.
I was referring to the often ridiculous misrepresentation of video games in movies, seeing as video games are a field in which you're interested, much as SuA wubs guns.
I was referring to the often ridiculous misrepresentation of video games in movies, seeing as video games are a field in which you're interested, much as SuA wubs guns.
Stag said:
I'm not nearly as involved in video games as SuA is in guns, and I never cared one bit how video games or video gamers are shown in films. Historical accuracy is a pet peeve of mine in films that take themselves seriously, but if it's just a fun film I don't care about that either.
A good film is a good film and a bad film is a bad film, my tastes factor into that, but my hobbies do not.
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Stag
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I agree, though I think we're all prejudiced towards things we love (I love hockey movies regardless of their quality).
welsh
Junkmaster
Well, on that regard, I like to see my martial arts done right too.
I completely agree with Kharn on this one. It's not just a cinematographic thing, either, it's quite apparent in videogames; a realistic videogame is NOT good per definition.
SkynetV4
Mildly Dipped
Scarface was very cheesy. I think they should have found a hispanic guy to play a Cuban because Pacino doesn't look like or talk like a Cuban by a long shot. Benicio del Toro would have been great, but I don't think he was acting in the big leagues at the time the movie was made. Andy Garcia while a Cuban is too solemn and meek to play a mouthy, low class, cafiche. I liked Pacino in Devil's Advocate...just the way I would portray the Devil: suave, wise, incredibly charming. Keanu Reeves was a disgrace...he had his...duuuude thing going. The best parts of the movie were Connie Nielsen AND Charlize Theron naked of course.
ugh!Brother None said:
it's an illustration to the lengths that the director went to ensure the movie was realistic, for fucks sake. you know that a great many hollywoodian actors are anti-gun, so getting them to take a lenghty course is quite an undertaking...
the same motivation can be found in several other parts of said movie's development.
liar...Brother None said:
are you telling me you wont be (slightly) annoyed if a supposed Siberian character starts talking Bosnian in a movie, while pretending that it's russian?
of course, it factors in... even if only subconciously in some cases.
SuAside said:
Considering how often that happens, and the few times actors speak Russian in movies instead of English with bad Russian accents they usually have on odd accent (think Dolph Lundgren in Rocky III)...no, not really.
I agree with you that that kind of attention to detail (getting Russian right, getting gun handling right) can be important to a movie. It's only important when it's a key factor, though. Heat isn't a movie about gun handling, it's a movie about crime and Al Pacino overreacting to his chicken being overcooked or something. It's a nice little side-bar plus that they got gun handling right, but is it honestly important? No, not at all.
because violent criminals never use guns, right? 
as for the language thing, ok, maybe you're not bothered by that, but there has to be something similar that eats at you when you watch a movie...
as for the language thing, ok, maybe you're not bothered by that, but there has to be something similar that eats at you when you watch a movie...
SuAside said:because violent criminals never use guns, right?
as for the language thing, ok, maybe you're not bothered by that, but there has to be something similar that eats at you when you watch a movie...
Yes, it eats me when a movie wants to deliver something and fails. It bothers me when a movie is advertised or presented as a historically accurate portrayal and then does all sort of stupid things. It'd bother me, if I knew anything about guns, if a movie has a large focus on weapons and weapons managements and then shows a bunch of clowns mishandling them as their "experts".
But that's just the thing, weapons handling is rarely the central point of a movie, and it really isn't in Heat. It's a nice detail, and that's it.
Realism, historical accuracy. These are not elements that make or break a good movie. Too bad some posters are not intelligent enough to realise that.