Sexism

[TheWesDude]

and those are the only 2 places i have heard of any kind of discrimination. but then again, in most places i have worked men dominated the higher positions.

if you are working or looking for work, you are at a DISADVANTAGE if you are a white male.

Looks like you just defeated your own argument there bud.

nope. once a company gets to a certian size, they are legally required to maintain certian %s of minorities. at least in the US. its just far more obvious in the governmental side because they went about things in the wrong way imo.

in the private sector, ever wonder how that dumb blonde got that job? ever wonder how that ( insert minority here ) who has no frickin clue about what they are doing got there? affirmative action. in smaller companies, its a better chance of being hired/promoted based on your merits, but any time you start looking at large companies or governmental work, your minority status can very well determine you getting a job. of course there is more reverse discrimination in the private sector, its just much harder to find.

I assume by "Aboriginal" you mean black? Get some facts to back that up then, because I'm pretty sure poor people the world over are having lots of children regardless of skin color. Especially Catholics, every sperm is sacred you know.

oh yea, trust the guy from brooklyn to turn a point of discussion about minorities into a racist issue. good job!

 

[Snackpack]

nope. once a company gets to a certian size, they are legally required to maintain certian %s of minorities.

Yes, we've established that affirmative action exists. Your point? As far as the "dumb blonde" goes, I've wondered just as often how the dumb white guy got the job.

And since we're arguing solely on the basis of conjecture,, your concession:

and those are the only 2 places i have heard of any kind of discrimination. but then again, in most places i have worked men dominated the higher positions.

Still negates your argument that white men are at some kind of disadvantage in the job market.

oh yea, trust the guy from brooklyn to turn a point of discussion about minorities into a racist issue. good job!

I thought the conversation was about political correctness and how it's ruining the world for white people! Damn those Aborigines!

 

[Mord_Sith]

I can't bloody well wait, in a decade or so, Caucasians are no longer going to be a visible majority with the almost assembly line efficiency that many of the Aboriginal people are producing children.

What the shit do the breeding habits of indigenous Australians have to do with Canada's population??

I assume by "Aboriginal" you mean black? Get some facts to back that up then, because I'm pretty sure poor people the world over are having lots of children regardless of skin color. Especially Catholics, every sperm is sacred you know.

You have no bloody clue do you? try looking up Canadian Aboriginal rather than wallow in ignorance(It's a Wiki but I don't want to be bothered finding something more official... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_peoples_in_Canada)

'Aboriginal' is the term that the Indians took on as their own so they wouldn't be called Indians, another title for them is 'First Nations' which in my opinion is also pretty arrogant considering that they were nomadic even when the Europeans came to North America I highly doubt you can classify them as a nation in the dictionary sense at that time.

And I said I'm not getting into this topic, it's for a different thread already and this is my last post on it.

--EDIT--

To prove my point on this I'll post another tidbit from my lovely government:

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/Products/Analytic/companion/abor/canada.cfm

Now this is the end of it, back to sexism!

 

[Snackpack]

You have no bloody clue do you?

Nope. Apologies for my ignorance.

 

[Mord_Sith]

I do need to make a correction to my statement, it may be longer than I expected before Caucasian is no longer the majority, my memory says that it was about a 60/20 percent ratio (Caucasian to Aboriginal) but in fact it's more like an 85/5 ratio, but they are breeding more than Caucasians at this point, maybe by 2109 we might see that happen >.> <.<

Sorry for continuing off topic, I just had to correct myself rather than let my erroneous calculation stand.

As for Sexism in the workplace, I believe I detailed this before, but there's about 30 employees in the office, 9 of them are male, not including the boss and including myself in that 9.

But I have no problem with that, every one of them is competent enough to do the job they're tasked with, it's when people are hired for the wrong reasons and the company becomes stuck with a sub-standard employee.

Right now there are more initiatives out there to get women into any field, hell in my course for web design there were even a few for the women because IT is not a common field for a woman to go into statistically.

Hell I've seen some of the needlework my mother can pull off, I know for a fact that if she wanted to she'd have the manual dexterity for any type of computer work.

I don't know why they aren't interested, but they aren't, maybe they don't like playing in a box of razors that many cases are when you're building a computer, I dunno, but it's for them to decide, not me.

 

[SkynetV4]

The only sexism that I have a beef with is the sexual harassment card. Almost all workplaces are prejudiced against males in that respect.

While anecdotal, I had a nasty run in with the HR department because of some egregious accusations that were made against me. What pisses me off the most is that I could have lost my job because of this false bullshit. They never even told me who the person was (I know who did it) and didn't even grant me the right to confront my accusers. My boss and technical adviser vouched for me and proved to the HR generalist that the accusations were lies and a personal vendetta to a personal relationship that went sour. Since that day, I've had nothing but contempt for equality in the workplace and for HR departments in general. Sexual harassment == weasel cards that women can use to eliminate their enemies.

If I had been the one to throw the first stone, so to speak, I would certainly would've been canned when the thing turned out to be lies.

 

[TheWesDude]

imo, anyone should be able to make an anonymous sexual harassment accusation against anyone, but as long as that person wants to remain anonymous, so shall the person they be named. and so shall the accusation.

only time sexual harassment accusations should be taken seriously is if its not anonymous. otherwise it would always be in a mans best intrest to name their female boss in one of these anonymous accusations just to be on the safe side. hell, just when u get a new job, accuse every female of sexual harassment. nip it in the bud!

 

[Lukus]

I have only this to add to this topic:

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

I snarfed on my keyboard.

 

[Ah-Teen]

i have seen studies

Quote your sources.

if you are working or looking for work, you are at a DISADVANTAGE if you are a white male.

You're exaggerating. The white male has never in history been at a disadvantage compared to other races and the opposite sex.

Never in history... do you really want to go that way? Government money for poor blacks and not poor whites? Lower tuition for minorities rather than for the poor? Hate crime laws that only apply to blacks, Muslims and Latinos and not Jews and whites? Companies and schools bringing people in purely based on ethnicity to greater their numbers of non-white workers so they don't get sued for discrimination or get extra funding from the government?

But yes, wes, quote your sources!

Men have never been oppressed on the basis of gender.

how many stories of beatings/killings because of homosexuality for females have you seen? they are all homosexual MALES that get beaten/killed.

Funny, when you really start looking around, yeah, females do get beat and killed. Often. However in history lesbians were usually ignored while males were burned/castrated/hung/shot/drowned/beaten/ect.

A lesbian friend of mine got sent to the hospital. It was clear who the attacker was and the police never even arrested the fucker.

It happens.

 

[Mord_Sith]

That's a bloody crime, did you at least get the asshole through the legal wringer a few times, get him dragged in for questioning and the like?

I have no idea, and I don't want to bother looking for statistics on sexual orientation versus assaults based on that orientation, somehow I get that feeling I'll be depressed by the results.

At any rate, I doubt there's going to be some rallying cry of oppressed men, at least not within the next 20 years or so if things keep up the way they are going.

But a guy can dream can't he? For the day that all this racism/sexism/religion(ism?) bullocks is put behind everyone, and simply take a person at face value, it's really not that hard, but it may take a few generations to completely iron out that rubbish from ingrained stereotypes.

Until that day, I shall stifle my Righteous Male Fury, not burn my gitch, and simply tow the line until finally PC is brought to it's rediculous knees.

Besides, after burning that thing, it'll be damn uncomfortable going home in a pair of jeans...

To each of those combat boot wearing die-hard pro-feminist man haters out there, however few there truly are, it's time to put the weapons down, and finally work towards equality, not simply trading who wears the pants in the relationship.

I don't hate you, I find you a source of cynical humor, but all jokes eventually fade away and become redundant, or annoying, your point has been made in Canada, I can attest to that.

Let's all take two steps back, share a bottle of whatever poison you prefer, and be civil about the whole matter, rather than curse me because of the extra lump of skin bouncing about between my legs (or the lack thereof in your case.)

So perhaps next time we meet combat boot wearing die-hard pro-feminist man hater we can share a few rounds, and maybe, just maybe, come to an agreement that makes both sides equal, rather than tear each other asunder like so much chaff.

 

[Zaij]

Men are something like 6 times more likely to commit suicide. Men have a much higher rate of homelessness and are homeless for longer. There are recognized and not insignificant lobby groups for every race and gender but straight white males.

Also, and by far the worst, women are far prettier than men and get more free drinks at bars.

 

[TheWesDude]

men and women are not equal, but different.

some things men do better ( math, science, work ethics ) ohnohedidnt!

some things women are better (emotions, having babies, looking prettier, mind games ) ohnohedidnt!

yeshedid!

/continue

 

[JohnnyEgo]

You know, this thread title caught my attention as soon as I saw it, and I felt I had to add my comments, even though I didn't really bother to do much more then gloss over the previous responses, so this may have already been stated.

I am against sexism! As a sexy man myself, I have been a victim time and time again to the brutality of the sexist masses. I was born sexy, people! It was not a choice! I am sure God made me and the other sexy people better looking then most of you for a reason, and it will be revealed in the fullness of time.

But until that great day comes when the sexy people amongst us will no longer have to burden under negative stereotypes, or to try and repress our sexiness to 'fit in' with the normals, the struggle continues. I am not just a piece of (sexy) meat. I am an intelligent, capable, hard working, and yes, sexy, human being, and I have feelings. When you prick me, I, too, bleed. Granted, I bleed sexy, more like a Jackson Pollack then crude arterial spray, but it is blood nonetheless. Judge me on who I am, not just what I am (sexy).

Sexy people of NMA, consider this a call to action! We must unite and end sexism once and for all!

 

[alec]

I worked as a journalist for the Justice Department of Belgium and they had this whole diversity campaign going on at the time. That the government made no diffrence between white people or black people, that it made no difference between men or women, and so on. One of my female collegues was a black woman and she downright hated that campaign. "If they really thought that way, they wouldn't need a diversity campaign in the first place."

This equality, diversity, durabilty ... crap of the 21st century is so goddamn fake, it amazes me so many people buy into it. They are simply selling words, politically correct words, to hide what really is the case. It's a sham. And a shame.

Men and women aren't equal. At all. White people and black people and yellow people aren't equal. At all. And simply saying they are, isn't going to change reality.

 

[Ravager69]

I agree with alec - if you want to stop sexism, stop talking about it. Simply live your life the "right way" and give example to others. Social campaigns don't do jack.

 

[fedaykin]

Men and women aren't equal. At all. White people and black people and yellow people aren't equal. At all.

Care to elaborate?
Are you saying that that's reality or that you want it to be that way?

 

[CloudlessDruid]

Men and women aren't equal. At all. White people and black people and yellow people aren't equal. At all.

in which way white and black and yellow people are different, besides some minor body changes like average height?

 

[JohnnyEgo]

Men and women aren't equal. At all. White people and black people and yellow people aren't equal. At all.

in which way white and black and yellow people are different, besides some minor body changes like average height?

We share 99% of the same DNA with chimpanzees. Skin color really isn't a big deal. White and black and yellow people aren't 'equal' because they don't have the same experiences, cultures, etc..., not because of some innate genetic inequality.

 

[alec]

Look at the world around you. Seriously. Stop thinking that the world ends in your town or country or continent. That's just your world. And everything can look or even be nice and dandy in your world, but that is saying nothing about the world as it is.

While I am writing this, somewhere on this planet an 8 year old muslim girl is getting her labia and clitoris cut off by a female familymember. This experience will traumatize her for the rest of her life, a life that will prove to be miserable in every aspect. She has more than 95% chance of being illiterate for the rest of her life, she has a 95% chance of having to marry a much older man she never met before (or only briefly), and she has a 95% chance of getting raped by him on their wedding night. If she falls in love with someone else, she can not see him or she will get stoned. And so on.

While I am drinking my beer and typing this, somewhere on this planet a black person, male or female, is getting beaten up because he/she is black and happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

While I am drinking my beer and eating some chips and typing this, a Chinese teenager is opening up an old computer monitor. It's a Packard Bell screen. It was shipped to China from France or Germany or the USA. They do that because these monitors contain dangerous components and recycling costs too much money if you have it done by Westerners. Chinese teenagers are cheap recycling factories. They are expendable. When the Chinese kid finds what he is looking for (some small components that can be re-used) and removes them, he is unaware of the fact that he is inhaling tiny mercury particles which, in a couple of years, will make him develop cancer or other dangerous diseases. And even if he was aware of this fact, he would still do the task, because his family needs the money. Otherwise they'll get evicted.

That's equality for you: it doesn't fucking exist. Us Westerners like to spend money on meaningless campaigns that make everybody feel like they're not guilty. We want you too to eat equality and diversity, we want you to go to bed with durability and alternative energy, we hope you feed your children a wonderful future were there is no war, no hunger, no thirst. We want you to tell them lies so they'll want to grow old. The system needs their internal batteries and the truth, the harsh truth will drain them too quick.

If I ever hear a Western woman tell me that I am a sexist and that she is feeling mistreated, I will punch her in the cunt, put her in a suitcase and mail her spoiled arse to Somalia or Afghanistan.

Do you understand me now?