Shadowrun Returns vs Dragon Fall?

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by DehOtherGuy, Jul 5, 2015.

  1. DehOtherGuy

    DehOtherGuy First time out of the vault

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    Jun 19, 2015
    So I started playing Shadowrun Returns and I'm enjoying it so far, but I've heard that Dragon Fall is an improvement in every way. In your opinions, how much better is it than Returns (if it is better), specifically in terms of stuff like gameplay, story, etc.?
     
  2. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Knight Rider oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Dragonfall is a massive improvement over Returns. In every way. They are both worth playing though. Very good games.
     
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  3. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    Just play them both in sequence, you'll get the best experience.
     
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  4. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    - Gameplay was improved from Dead Man Switch to Dragonfall, and a bit more with the Director's Cut.
    - Maps are bigger and the missions features more choices. Some of them have more consequences than in DMS.
    - The game is longer, with a longer main story and much more side missions that are totally unrelated with the main story.
    - The stories of both games are enjoyable, but IMO, DMS story has a much much better beginning than DF, while DF story has a much much much better second part than DMS. In the end, i think DF story is better, but DMS introduction is still worth of praises. On the other hand, the side missions, while good, feel like you are losing sign of your main objective.
    - The art & music are on par, but i prefer those in DMS. First impression i guess...
    - Some combat missions are just EPIC in DF. Epic combats were rare in DMS.
    - Even if DF feature more choices it is the same blueprint than DMS. They are improving the same formula with each new SR, instead of introducing gamechanging features. But if you liked DMS, you have low chances of being disapointed by DF.
     
  5. Guiltyofbeingtrite

    Guiltyofbeingtrite Vault Dweller

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    Oct 13, 2008
    Concur with everything said, I still feel like each game lacks a large amount of side content though, but I do appreciate the short stories so far. I'd probably buy a new episode every 6 months for a decade.
     
  6. Ausdoerrt

    Ausdoerrt I should set a custom tit

    Oct 28, 2008
    If you're unfamiliar with the universe, DMS is still worth it.

    If you know what you're doing, it's probably okay to skip straight to DF. It basically has more of everything, except rails.

    Got high hopes for Hong Kong.
     
  7. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    I got both of these on GOG.com a little while ago. I recommend playing SRR first, but you should view it as a long tutorial for DF, which is in no way worse and in many ways better.

    FWIW, DF gets a little too much praise, IMO. Despite the improvements over SRR it still gets very linear at the end and bogs down with combat. The final battle is fun though - more fun than the final battle in SRR.
     
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  8. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Knight Rider oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    It is one of the better games released recently in the genre though.
     
  9. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    I loved them both. They totally nailed the cyberpunk/fantasy atmosphere. I'm psyched for SR:Hong Kong.
     
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  10. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    Yes, I don't doubt that's true. I defintely liked it, even though I criticize it. I also plan on getting Hong Kong at some point.

    I had never had any experience with Shadowrun before either, beyond seeing ads for it in Dragon Magazine back in the 80s and 90s.
     
  11. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    The only Shadowrun game I ever played was the Shadowrun for the Super Nintendo. How well does the new Shadowrun game compare to it actually? IF someone here knows them both. I liked the SNES Shadowrun quite a lot.
     
  12. sea

    sea Vault Senior Citizen

    Oct 5, 2009
    Both are great, though Dragonfall definitely has some maturation in quest design and writing (as you'd expect from a sequel). There's no reason not to play and enjoy both.
     
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  13. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Knight Rider oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    If you like Shadowrun in any way you should play the new games. Simple as that.
     
  14. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    Didn't play much of the original Shadowrun (although it seem good enough to make me want to some day), but it seems like Satellite Reign is much closer to the experience.
     
  15. Proletären

    Proletären Mildly Dipped

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    Mar 15, 2012
    Shadowrun: Hongkong is out now! I'm gonna play and find out how it stands against the previous games
     
  16. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    So far the introduction isn't warming me up to it. It's good, and I like the different approach to story, but not the writing in and of itself. Dragonfall started with a bang, that first mission was great. This one. . it starts off slow and doesn't grab my attention. Still going to keep playing, of course. But I'm actually itching to replay Dragonfall more now that I'm talking about it. .
     
  17. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Knight Rider oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Stick with it so you can tell me how good it is. :grin:
     
  18. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    I just finished it. Starts slowish, but it works in the end.

    It's also clear that the end has seen less testing I'm afraid. There's still some annoying (and obvious) bugs in there, but nothing major luckily.