navyguy445
First time out of the vault
When Pamela first came out in Playboy she was a hottie. THEN hollywierd got in here head and the whole thing just spiraled down from there
Should i laugh or should i cry...
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First time out of the vault
[PCE]el_Prez
Vault Fossil
i disagree. I think the President of the United States is suppose to represent our country (as in - all the citzens of that country) to all foreign people and leaders. Therefore he should be a respectable moral person.
You can tell how bright a person is just by looking at them? Thats pretty imressive. You don't even know her. How would you know if she can carry on an intelligent conversation.
Let alter my previous statement. If you are a hetro-sexual male, and you dont find Pamela Anderson attractive (based on pure looks) you are extremely too picky when it comes to a woman's apperance.
[PCE said:
Correct.
This concept is foreign to "constitutional monarchies" like the Netherlands or the UK or countries that have bother a prime-minister AND a president like France.
In those cases, the president/royalty represents the country internationally, whereas the prime-minister is the political leader and his moral standing is less important than that of the official head of state (that being the president/king/queen)
Though this is more true for constitutional monarchies than for countries like France, who just have two different offices as leaders to confuse the foreigners...And I believe that in France the president has the real power and the prime-minister is for show, as opposed to the normal vice versa (i.e. Finland...Lesbian Chick Presidents forever!)
SkynetV4
Mildly Dipped
Well Prez
I completely disagree with you regarding "Pam". I don't find her attractive at all. Her biggest turn offs IMHO are: she has a nasty face, those sillicon tits are/were way too obvious and her ass is not big enough. Me, I prefer Selma Blair or Leelee Sobieski.
I completely disagree with you regarding "Pam". I don't find her attractive at all. Her biggest turn offs IMHO are: she has a nasty face, those sillicon tits are/were way too obvious and her ass is not big enough. Me, I prefer Selma Blair or Leelee Sobieski.
[PCE]el_Prez
Vault Fossil
well call me crazy....
but i think she's pretty attractive.
but i think she's pretty attractive.
SkynetV4
Mildly Dipped
You are not crazy Prez. You are just special. j/k
I have to admit she looks pretty attractive in that picture, mainly due to the way her face looks. But I was thinking about the way she looks in VIP(After all, that's what this thread was about, VIP).
As for intelligence, I can't see that, however, I was referring to the way she looks and acts on screen. Meh, I may be wrong though, maybe she's the most intelligent person in the world...or maybe not.
As for President CLinton: Alright, who would you prefer, someone who was really really good at running your country but slept with every other woman OR someone who sucked at running the country, but was morally perfect.
PS: YOu do realise that President Kennedy was one of the biggest womanizers ever. He was way worse than Clinton....
As for intelligence, I can't see that, however, I was referring to the way she looks and acts on screen. Meh, I may be wrong though, maybe she's the most intelligent person in the world...or maybe not.
As for President CLinton: Alright, who would you prefer, someone who was really really good at running your country but slept with every other woman OR someone who sucked at running the country, but was morally perfect.
PS: YOu do realise that President Kennedy was one of the biggest womanizers ever. He was way worse than Clinton....
[PCE]el_Prez
Vault Fossil
I dont believe that Clinton was a 'political badass', sure the country didnt fall apart and there was a good economy when he was in office (partially due to the decade before him when a republican was in office). Truthfully i would rather have the morally perfect person. The President really doesnt need to do anything that his cabinet couldnt do by themselves. He's just got to put the old john hancock and hes done for the day.
P.S. I wasn't alive when Kennedy was in office but from what i know he was just some richboy living the good life sleeping with Marilyn Monroe. I didn't know him nor would i if i had been alive then. Hey Oswald, nice shot.
P.S. I wasn't alive when Kennedy was in office but from what i know he was just some richboy living the good life sleeping with Marilyn Monroe. I didn't know him nor would i if i had been alive then. Hey Oswald, nice shot.
Meh, I just figured an American might be lyrical about Kennedy.
As for the republican in office before him, that was the republican who said "No tax raises!", not that that really matters, I don't know how good he was at ruling the country, although from what I know, CLinton did a much better job...
If you elevt a president just to put a John Hancock somewhere, why go through the trouble of electing him in the first place? Most of the time, the president does make a lot of decisions himself.
As for the republican in office before him, that was the republican who said "No tax raises!", not that that really matters, I don't know how good he was at ruling the country, although from what I know, CLinton did a much better job...
If you elevt a president just to put a John Hancock somewhere, why go through the trouble of electing him in the first place? Most of the time, the president does make a lot of decisions himself.
[PCE]el_Prez
Vault Fossil
cause were stupid. Its all just a show, whoever kisses the most ass and promises the most 'favors' is who wins the election.
Sander said:
President Kennedy also really sucked.
He's definitely in the top-10 worst presidents EVER.
Easy for you to say, but the President does have a huge influence on international politics, while he has none on national politis. This means WE get fucked over when YOU elect a bad president.
Makes sense, huh?
SkynetV4
Mildly Dipped
Only Dutch people get fucked? Heh, IIRC you weren't invaded in 1989 j/k. I really hope US lets Noriega come back to this country. My family, and the rest of the country have a lot of bad blood with him.
Sander said:
We're not that far gone yet.
Anyway, whether Clinton was a good president is questionable, in my opinion. It's true that the economy was better while he was president, but the president doesn't really have any direct control over the state of the economy. Furthermore, the economy was already showing signs of slowing down when Clinton left office. Bush inherited a slowing economy from Clinton, and the situation was exacerbated by the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11.
Additionally, Clinton heavily slashed the defense budget. This might have freed up a lot of room in the budget, but Clinton did quite of bit of "policing" himself. The result was the military and intelligence agencies found themselves swamped. There was too much to do and not enough manpower to do it. I believe a number of his other domestic "successes" were actually GOP bills, although I don't have details off the top of my head.
It doesn't really matter much, though. I don't think either party is good for the country. We need more viable choices.
welsh
Junkmaster
Well, with regard to Clinton's infidelity-
(1) Lets not forget that he's living in a country with a 50% divorce rate in which adultery is fairly common.
(2) He's the president of the country- I mean, with that kind of power can you imagine the kind of ass you can tap?
(3) He's married to Hilary.
I think he should have been impeached because he broke the law and he lied. I don't respect him for "I never inhaled." The right things for him would have been, "Yes, I did puffed that big roach like a smoke stack" and after Monica Lewenski- "You bet she blew me, and after we had fun with cigar, I gave it to yasar arafat to smoke."
That would have been hysterical, and I think Yasar would have gotten a kick out of it.
My problems is not so much that he screwed around so much (which I think is his business) but that he had such bad taste in girls.
Secondly, regarding Pam Anderson-
Yes, she was a hottie in Playboy and she's gone down since (although the current calender isn't so bad.)
And yes, I would do her.
And so would you.
Come on, you know you would.
If Pam Anderson met you in some smoking bar in a hotel and offered to take you upstairs for a little horizontal bop, you would be their in a second.
Doesn't matter what you think of silicon.
If you didn't do it for the experience, then you would for the bragging rights.
Just imagine, hanging out with you friends and you say, "Yeah I tapped Pam Anderson's ass"
And they'd say, "Yeah, dream on."
And you could just smile.
(1) Lets not forget that he's living in a country with a 50% divorce rate in which adultery is fairly common.
(2) He's the president of the country- I mean, with that kind of power can you imagine the kind of ass you can tap?
(3) He's married to Hilary.
I think he should have been impeached because he broke the law and he lied. I don't respect him for "I never inhaled." The right things for him would have been, "Yes, I did puffed that big roach like a smoke stack" and after Monica Lewenski- "You bet she blew me, and after we had fun with cigar, I gave it to yasar arafat to smoke."
That would have been hysterical, and I think Yasar would have gotten a kick out of it.
My problems is not so much that he screwed around so much (which I think is his business) but that he had such bad taste in girls.
Secondly, regarding Pam Anderson-
Yes, she was a hottie in Playboy and she's gone down since (although the current calender isn't so bad.)
And yes, I would do her.
And so would you.
Come on, you know you would.
If Pam Anderson met you in some smoking bar in a hotel and offered to take you upstairs for a little horizontal bop, you would be their in a second.
Doesn't matter what you think of silicon.
If you didn't do it for the experience, then you would for the bragging rights.
Just imagine, hanging out with you friends and you say, "Yeah I tapped Pam Anderson's ass"
And they'd say, "Yeah, dream on."
And you could just smile.
Gwydion said:
Gwydion said:
Uhm, Gwydion, "Bush inherited a slowing economy from Clinton, who didn't really have any direct control over the state of the economy" doesn't really work, and it definitely doesn't work as an argument about Clinton's qualities.
Kharn, it wasn't really supposed to be a continuation of the same thought. It was kind of poorly written. Think of it like this:
1) The President doesn't have direct control of the economy
2) Even if he did, Bush inherited a slowing economy from Clinton
They're two separate statements.
Besides, it wasn't intended to be a statement against Clinton, it was more intended to debunk the general "Clinton was a better president" type comments. I suppose it was kind of a strawman, but Sander had made a comment about how he didn't know how well Bush Sr. took handled the country, and I was trying to point out with my message that Clinton didn't really do anything special.
1) The President doesn't have direct control of the economy
2) Even if he did, Bush inherited a slowing economy from Clinton
They're two separate statements.
Besides, it wasn't intended to be a statement against Clinton, it was more intended to debunk the general "Clinton was a better president" type comments. I suppose it was kind of a strawman, but Sander had made a comment about how he didn't know how well Bush Sr. took handled the country, and I was trying to point out with my message that Clinton didn't really do anything special.
[PCE]el_Prez
Vault Fossil
The President does have a very important role, but what i meant in the previous statement was that the country could get by even if the president was a complete moron (which has happened in past and present).
Adultery is still wrong no matter what the circumstances. Of course he can get a lot of ass, but if he wanted to live the swinger life, he shouldn't have gotten married.
welsh
Junkmaster
[PCE]el_Prez said:
Jeez, Prez, stop being such a prude. Yes Adultery is wrong, just like not paying your income taxes is wrong. It just that probably the majority of the country makes it the second most popular past time (after cheating on your taxes).
Besides you can't really be a swinger until you're married.
I honestly don't understand the Bill-Hillary partnership. I am upset that he tried to cover himself up so damn much and would have respected him more if he came out and said, 'Yeah, ok, so I did it."
Considering most of the country probably does it (either grass or adultery) I think he would have gotten more crediability. It would have reminded us of an important matter of civility- mind your fucking business. That Bill lies and perjures himself is a violation of law. That he fucked around just means he likes to fuck women other than his wife, and that, to me, is a matter that our society believes is a matter between the wife and husband.
I have said this before, all this bullshit about telling people what lifestyle they should leave is nonsense. People should live the life style they want to, as long as it doesn't hurt another person. There are pains that come with adultery - but that is a matter between spouses, not the public. All this moral pontification is just self-grandizing when the real issue is why our quality of life is not what it should be, why the middle class is dieing, and why so many poor people are caught in inescape dispair.
Gwydion is half right and half wrong here-
(1) Bush did inherit a declining economy from Clinton, just as Clinton inherited a revitalizing economy from Bush senior. That this occurs has, I think more to do with the product cycle than economic policy. However, for the last two years of the Clinton administration the signs where there that the bubble was set to pop, it was just a matter of when. That Greenspan was able to pull in that bubble helped limit the damage but not prevent it.
(2) To say that the president has little economic power is in error. The President, through the Office of the Management of the Budget is hugely powerful. The executive of the country controls a budget that dwarfs any other institution that I can think of. The amount of public contracts that the president oversees is huge (Just ask Cheney Inc.)
Merely creating budget surpluses and controlling spending (not historically democratic strengths) as well as restructuring the public debt as Clinton managed created significant confidence in the american government. George has managed to create a sitution where the public debt is likely to mean that our government is in the red for the next decade, worse if the tax cuts become permanent. And the guy is planning more!
Like companies,governments are consider credit risks, and the level of risk determines the amount of FDI flowing into the country.
Throughout the 1990s the US and China were two of the biggest recipients of Foreign Direct Investment. In otherword the same if not more investment that was coming into China, giving them such rapid growth, was flowing into the US, and it was predicted that the US would dwarf China and most other countries from 2001-2005 with over 26% of the FDI flows (Economist, Feb 2 2001)
On June 25th the Economist wrote, " FDI inflows declined sharply last year in America (down by 77%) and Britain (down by 60%). Foreign investment in both countries is a mere shadow of what it was at the peak three years ago—in America, FDI inflows last year were a mere tenth of the amount received in 2000; in Britain, about a fifth." In the chart it shows that in actually France and Germany are drawing more FDI than the US.
Why? Unstability and lack of faith in the country. Part of that has to do with the economic slowdown. But the slow down impacted most the over-valued tech stocks. In fact, before Sept 11, many economists predicted that the Sept 11 shocks added perhaps 6 more weeks of recession and that the country was coming out.
Now the problem is that current indicators look good, that the economy is show 3% growth. That might not sound like much when you compare it to China- but lets not forget China's 8-10% growth comes in a country where in 1989, most of the people drove bicycles, crapped in the street and the amount of fecal matter in the area would have killed just about any "green" in Europe or the US (remember you have to be a wealthy country to have good environmental policy). 3% is pretty freaking good- our 3% kicks the crap out of China's 8%
So what's the problem? No one is getting freaking jobs. Hiring is down, unemployment is relatively high. More people are working longer hours, and are more productive, but pay hasn't increased dramatically. Compare the quality of life issues between Europeans and Americans on one indicator. Vacation time. Most americans get two weeks of vacation that they rarely take, 6 months maternity leave for new mothers. Six months of unemployment- and last I checked you don't get until 4 weeks pass and then its only $300 every two weeks (enough for groceries for a family of 4). What do you get in Europe?
When you compare that to declining environmental standards, lower quality social services for the poor, bankrupt state institutions (thanks to George Bush- although to be fair, under Clinton the feds weren't paying their bills to the states either), that adds up to some beg freaking problems.
Net result - the poor continue to get fucked, the rich continue to get rich and the middle class is dieing as a few make ito be rich but most find themselves working longer ours for relatively less pay.
So Bush did inherit this economy, but he did manage to make it worse then it could be. What Bush has managed to do is probably fuck up the economy for the next decade while creating favorable energy polices for oil interests and big tax breaks for the wealthy. And the beauty of it, is that he won't probably be in office when the rest of us have to pay the bill.
Finally, I believe every single one of you would nail this, if you had the chance.
In fact, I am probably the only person who wouldn't and that's because my wife would do a Lorena Bobbitt on me.
[PCE]el_Prez
Vault Fossil
I don't mind people who do drugs, i can deal with people who lie, cheat and steal, i think if you have a problem with someone you should be able to fight them withought getting slapped with an assault charge. However i think marrige should be taken more seriously in our culture.
It's true people think about adultury and they think, oh well everyone does it so its ok. Thats a bullshit cop out. If you make a commitment to someone you should keep it - unless your partner dishonors your relationship by committing adultury.