So, how many of you hate Fallout 3 without playing it?
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Nodder said:
Depends on how they behave themselves, if they decide to act like a$$holes, the ban hammer will be out.
Nodder
It Wandered In From the Wastes
I'm not talking about trolls, I'm talking about what happens if the community ends up getting flooded by a new generation of twitch-gamers who end up being the face of the Fallout fanbase.
It's kind of like how the new Battlestar Galactica overwhelmed everything and now people who hate it for everything it is and bitterly hold on to rose-colored memories of the original are kind of left to their own enclaves. It's pretty interesting whenever a new hit remake or sequel comes out and that happens.
Of course, there's no definitive sign that Bethesda Fallout is the true future of the series and not merely a Joel Schumacher duology along the way to Chris Nolan.
It's kind of like how the new Battlestar Galactica overwhelmed everything and now people who hate it for everything it is and bitterly hold on to rose-colored memories of the original are kind of left to their own enclaves. It's pretty interesting whenever a new hit remake or sequel comes out and that happens.
Of course, there's no definitive sign that Bethesda Fallout is the true future of the series and not merely a Joel Schumacher duology along the way to Chris Nolan.
I doubt the twitch gamers will have much interest in coming to NMA, as they'll have a more receptive audience elsewhere.
Not a big deal really, we've been here since the beginning, I doubt the twitch players will have the same level of loyalty to a subpar shooter.
Not a big deal really, we've been here since the beginning, I doubt the twitch players will have the same level of loyalty to a subpar shooter.
Recon Rover Rick
It Wandered In From the Wastes
If they do, we can always go on a good old fashioned crusade and wipe out the lot of 'em. 
Nah, not worth the time/effort.
Recon Rover Rick
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Crusades are always worth the time and effort! In fact, I declare that we crusade against grapefruit. It's been taunting us with its misleading name for years! Grape, indeed.
And it becomes apparent that the lack of sleep is catching up with me. I'm going to go take a nap.
And it becomes apparent that the lack of sleep is catching up with me. I'm going to go take a nap.
tekhedd
Hoarding ammo IS gameplay
Pope Viper said:
And if they do turn up, you just have to create a forum called "Achievements", and they'll spend all their time there. Or does that trick only work for the console-based players?
Re the earlier discussion about Mass Effect, I thought the combat was *exactly* what was wrong with that game. ME taught me to fear the phrase "Action RPG". (OK, there was also the inventory management that didn't need to be nearly as tedious as it was, even with a console controller, but that's a different discussion that I really hope won't apply to F3.)
FPS elements in an RPG don't have to be bad, so why is it that they so often are? (And everyone keeps pointing to Bioshock as an example of "doing it right"? Why is this? I got bored and never finished it...but I digress. Again.)
Personally, I think in trying to accomplish everything Fallout 3 ends up accomplishing nothing. I haven't played it yet but I've heard the following criticisms:
- A poor RPG experience.
- It's a poor shooter in comparison to pure shooters.
- Average graphics.
- Terrible dialogue and pretty awful script writing.
Taking all those things into account I'm having to ask myself what exactly is it about Fallout 3 that some people seem to enjoy and find a fulfilling experience? The only thing I can come up with is that it does everything "good enough" to satisfy the masses, but if you go into it with any pre-conceived notions of the type of game you're going to be playing you're going to be very disappointed. FPS and RPG fans, those looking simply to experience a quality plot or interesting characters, or even the graphics whores, will hardly find the pinnacle of what they're after in F3. Fallout 3 seems to be rather "average" in all areas, which for some reason seems to please most.
Trying to get someone to tell you what F3 does better than any other game will usually be met with a blank stare. When certain reviewers describe F3 as "life affirming" I would expect it to break ground somewhere, but alas nothing in F3 could be described as "the best" of anything. At least Oblivion had impressive graphics for it's time.
- A poor RPG experience.
- It's a poor shooter in comparison to pure shooters.
- Average graphics.
- Terrible dialogue and pretty awful script writing.
Taking all those things into account I'm having to ask myself what exactly is it about Fallout 3 that some people seem to enjoy and find a fulfilling experience? The only thing I can come up with is that it does everything "good enough" to satisfy the masses, but if you go into it with any pre-conceived notions of the type of game you're going to be playing you're going to be very disappointed. FPS and RPG fans, those looking simply to experience a quality plot or interesting characters, or even the graphics whores, will hardly find the pinnacle of what they're after in F3. Fallout 3 seems to be rather "average" in all areas, which for some reason seems to please most.
Trying to get someone to tell you what F3 does better than any other game will usually be met with a blank stare. When certain reviewers describe F3 as "life affirming" I would expect it to break ground somewhere, but alas nothing in F3 could be described as "the best" of anything. At least Oblivion had impressive graphics for it's time.
Not unlike Beth's own F3 forum?
And no. Chill out. Won't happen in my turf.
*e-macho pose*
Marines
First time out of the vault
Nodder said:
They don't interest me, mate. Personally, I've always "tried before I buyed", or bought, hmm... poor English. Anyhoo, how can anyone simply pop into a new release without playing the previous titles in the series. Wait, I've done it before... Neither here nor there. I was 17 when the FO was released and 18 when F2 came about, and I have too say it was countless weeks/months/years well spent playing the game over and over from differing aspects, characters, and roles, bar-none. Back on topic though, they'll see it, say eww at the graphics, and turn away thinking Beth's FuckOlid3 is the shit to end all shit's.
Ok, I've played the game and I've seen by myself.... These are not average graphics. Ok, they're not perfect and *omfg this is the best post apocalyptic world I've ever saw!*, but, I find hard to believe that so many people are trying to underestimate some of the good qualities of the game.
All right, I absolutely agree that the game don't deserve a 9.5/10 or whatever high note like that it received, but in question of graphics the game is pretty well developed (except by the view of your character in the 3rd person view, this is really messed up)
It is? The animations are pretty bad, the ragdoll physics are retardedly bad and all recent AAA games look much better.radiatedheinz said:
By the AAA standards of today, the graphics are average at best.
Well, I agree with you in this, the ragdoll physics really sucks. But I didn't find the textures "average". I don't know, maybe my standard of "average" is lower than yours, but to me, Spore has average graphics, but I don't think FO3 has.
But really, if you pick up Dead Space or what I've saw from Resident Evil 5, and compare with FO3, they really can make Bestheda cry. But these games are really "GOOD GAMES", a thing that Fallout 3 is not, so, I think they're not in the same level, so, we can't compare something that isn't in the same level.
In terms of budget, marketing and overall presence Fallout 3 is as big as a game gets, really. Bethesda isn't some indie developer.radiatedheinz said:
Fallout 3 pretends to be a very high-end title, and it should be judged as such. And as such, it falls far short of other titles.
Nodder said:
Hows I refule teddiz gun?
I've been playing it, and I have to admit. It has no soul.
sonicmerlin
First time out of the vault
Seems fine to me. Graphics look great. Physics suck, and it's not as high-res as Crysis obviously, but they're great in the way Twilight Princess and Super Mario Galaxy are great. I love the little details and the art design. Just reeks of attention.
RPG elements are great. A real sense of progression (curse you Oblivion! I was level 40! curse youuuuu!), and the SPECIAL system is of course good stuff.
Dialogue and story are soo much better than Oblivion. The main character voice overs are good, but the supporting cast NPCs are not.
It's an OK shooter. It's not exactly...polished. But it's still enjoyable, gets the job done, rah rah.
I'd give it an 8, except for the fact that very few games give you such an incredible sense of immersion. I love feeling like I'm in the middle of a Wasteland with dangers all around me that could kill me. So that bumps my score up to an 8.5, maybe a 9 with the inevitable upcoming patches.
RPG elements are great. A real sense of progression (curse you Oblivion! I was level 40! curse youuuuu!), and the SPECIAL system is of course good stuff.
Dialogue and story are soo much better than Oblivion. The main character voice overs are good, but the supporting cast NPCs are not.
It's an OK shooter. It's not exactly...polished. But it's still enjoyable, gets the job done, rah rah.
I'd give it an 8, except for the fact that very few games give you such an incredible sense of immersion. I love feeling like I'm in the middle of a Wasteland with dangers all around me that could kill me. So that bumps my score up to an 8.5, maybe a 9 with the inevitable upcoming patches.
TheFlyingBuddha
It Wandered In From the Wastes
If by patches you mean unofficial fan patches, maybe. How many patches did Oblivion get? One? Then one more for SI? Hell, I don't think they EVER bothered to patch Knights of the Nine, much less any of the other DLCs (one of which bugged every daedric waraxe in the game to be unusable). That's one thing I will continue to fault Beth for, is lax support.
They could have easily just looked at all the things the unofficial patch did and merged it into an official patch, but no, the modders were doing it so why bother to fix anything but the most game-breaking of bugs?
Edit: not to mention all the console users who could never use PC mods and thus enjoy things like the unofficial patch.
They could have easily just looked at all the things the unofficial patch did and merged it into an official patch, but no, the modders were doing it so why bother to fix anything but the most game-breaking of bugs?
Edit: not to mention all the console users who could never use PC mods and thus enjoy things like the unofficial patch.
I gave it a chance, it's not Fallout, but it's not horrible either, there are some fun little things to do here and there, but overall I'd rate it somewhere around a 6, maybe 7.