So...how was the Institute built?

Dr Fallout said:
They took the ideas of Skyrim (be honest, they're everywhere in Fallout 4) because it was a rampant success. They thought that it would count even in a different setting.
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What ideas are there? And bringing concepts and gameplay from other franchises isn't necessarily a and thing that is as long as it blends well with the feel and previously established designed principles of the franchise. They didn't understand that? The devs themselves must hold no power at all.
 
R.Graves said:
What ideas are there? And bringing concepts and gameplay from other franchises isn't necessarily a and thing that is as long as it blends well with the feel and previously established designed principles of the franchise. They didn't understand that? The devs themselves must hold no power at all.
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It's Bethesda, what do you expect. The only thing they understand is success.
 
R.Graves said:
Well maybe they should just stop trying to make rpgs because they're So bad at it. Even the fabled morrowind is a bad rpg imo.
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You're dead to me.

But I get what you mean from the game play side and choice side, but it did have great writing and a great world.
 
Dr Fallout said:
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You're dead to me.

But I get what you mean from the game play side and choice side, but it did have great writing and a great world.
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Eh, I agree the worlds exposition is well thought out. But the dialogue, is awful. It feels like exposition and good writing doesn't have its exposition just feel like exposition. I'm sure @Mr Fish could explain my view better than I ever could. We have similar view on morrowinds dialogue.
 
R.Graves said:
Eh, I agree the worlds exposition is well thought out. But the dialogue, is awful. It feels like exposition and good writing doesn't have its exposition just feel like exposition. I'm sure @Mr Fish could explain my view better than I ever could. We have similar view on morrowinds dialogue.
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I personally don't mind the dialogue. I guess it's just personal preferences.
 
R.Graves said:
Eh, I agree the worlds exposition is well thought out. But the dialogue, is awful. It feels like exposition and good writing doesn't have its exposition just feel like exposition. I'm sure @Mr Fish could explain my view better than I ever could. We have similar view on morrowinds dialogue.
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Then this is an exercise for you to explain how you feel on your own. ;)

Personally I think that the game is an overrated pile of shit, chock-ful(?) of horrendous design choices, extremely dated graphics and animations that actually 'do' hamper my enjoyment of the game because of how bad it looks. And I can't comprehend how anyone of a critical mind, sound mind or even casual mind could ever not only find enjoyment out of this miserable cesspool but to also praise it as an amazing game.

Morrowind is something I cannot understand. It is alien to me. Others find enjoyment out of it and I stare at them as if they are skinning their mothers alive like it's no big deal. So I don't really think it matters what I think about Morrowind. Clearly it is not for me, so who cares what I think about it?

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Besides, I wasted 40-60 hours (can't remember the exact number) on this game feeling not a single moment of enjoyment and I've wasted a few hours debating how awful I think it is. And it is not worth any more of my time. This fucking game has already sucked enough hours away out of my life. I'm not interested in going into a gigantic wall of text again about each ever bit of criticism I have of it.
 
Mr Fish said:
Then this is an exercise for you to explain how you feel on your own. ;)

Personally I think that the game is an overrated pile of shit, chock-ful(?) of horrendous design choices, extremely dated graphics and animations that actually 'do' hamper my enjoyment of the game because of how bad it looks. And I can't comprehend how anyone of a critical mind, sound mind or even casual mind could ever not only find enjoyment out of this miserable cesspool but to also praise it as an amazing game.

Morrowind is something I cannot understand. It is alien to me. Others find enjoyment out of it and I stare at them as if they are skinning their mothers alive like it's no big deal. So I don't really think it matters what I think about Morrowind. Clearly it is not for me, so who cares what I think about it?
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DIE! DIE! BURN IN HELL!!!

BUUUUUUUUUURRRRNNN!!!
 
It's a good question and I don't have an answer but I do have another question. Why wouldn't the Enclave retreat to the institute? I can't imagine MIT was a private organization, it must've been government run and they had government projects like the FEV being studied and used there so yeah, why the hell didn't they just go there?
 
Mr Fish said:
If Morrowind is the path to salvation then I'm going to enjoy burning in the lake of fire a lot more than playing it.
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HERESY!!! HERESY OF THE MOST TERRIBLE KIND!!!

BUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRNNNNN!!!! FOREVER!!!

Or be forced to play Fallout 4 with no end.
 
Mr Fish said:
At least Fallout 4 is fun to play.
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UUUUUUGH!!


This heresy... is powerful.... we must use the ultimate weapon... you will be forced to play the kid in the fridge quest for ever.... and ever... and ever. Everything will be blocked off with the character being played for you. You just watch... and watch...
 
They typed "tgm" in the console and got a bit carried away.
More seriously, I think they extended the existing undergrounds, little by little. Which brings upon major problems, by the way:
There's no way the commonwealth didn't notice that, before the Institute turned full retard/Umbrella Corporation. Hell, both Nick and Danse say "they buried themselves underground" and apparently, people know that they used to live at... well, the Institute. So, an educated guess ? Well, the Institute is at the institute's underground.
The most idiotic moment I've ever seen in the game is when you fly in a vertibird for the first time. You litteraly fly above the Institute, one minute away from Danse's "RECON HQ." And Danse is like "Oooh, they are so hidden, we have no idea where they could be, but this... This INSTITUTE has good technology! We must find them, wherever they are". Moron, we are flying above the institute of technology, where they used to live, and you said it yourself that they buried underground. How come your recon team didn't think about that, while it was litteraly their only job ?

Secondly, if the Institute managed to build such a big infrastructure, they have mining drills and excellent isolation technologies, considering the fact that Boston is, long story short, a swamp. Guess who also lives underground and is in constant need of expanding/isolating the underground ? The brotherhood of steel. Guess who nukes the Institute, without even making a checklist of valuable technologies to seize ? The brotherhood.
 
This discussion made me miss namecaller Tagz.

Anyway, with Instupiditute's digging machines, shouldn't they be in danger of collapsing the whole structure after one more dig or another?
 
How did the Railroad survive with a big red line leading to their secret base, the password to which is simply their name ("Railroad")?

The answer, like all things in Fallout 4, is "not interested in discussing realism in a post apoc game with talking mutants and ghouls."

They don't care if it makes sense, everything in the game exists to give you MMO quests and nothing else.
 
mithrap said:
Guess who nukes the Institute, without even making a checklist of valuable technologies to seize ? The brotherhood.
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The brotherhood written to hate synths and meant to wipe away the Institute because... Maxson vult and Maxson's blood can't be wrong... I guess...
R.Graves said:
Why? He's a bit of an unreasonable jerk.
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Just like me.
He's also funny with 'better know than you and you just biased' attitude while also being biased and not very knowledgeable on the subjects he tries to bring in. Remember Jet thing? He thought it's just a brahmins' shit.
BTW @R.Graves where did your question go? I don't see it now.
 
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0wing said:
The brotherhood written to hate synths and meant to wipe away the Institute because... Maxson vult and Maxson's blood can't be wrong... I guess...
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Yeah, it's quite unclear why the brotherhood suddenly decides that merging man and machine is heresy. Nothing in their background seem to justify, or explain this particular point of view. If anything, given their batallions of bionic augmented soldiers, they should view the Institute as competitors, eventually idiots playing with fire, but not ideological enemies. I'm fine with the new approach, but I can't seem to remember any justification for it. Hell, Zimmer used to flex the institute's muscles before BoS operatives in Fallout 3, even gave one some bionic implants, and nobody even gave a damn. Neither did anyone about his bodyguards, who were openly introduced as machines wearing human flesh.
 
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