So I think my GPU is fried.

You shouldn't worry about DX12 or 11 or even 10 because with your hardware and a 50-bucks-card, activating their features would pretty much kill your framerate in games.
gustarballs1983 said:
Oh yeah don't forget to check Your monitor and the monitor signal cable they might be faulty too
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Nah, the card is most definitely what's dying here. All the signs are there.
 
Buxbaum666 said:
You shouldn't worry about DX12 or 11 or even 10 because with your hardware and a 50-bucks-card, activating their features would pretty much kill your framerate in games.
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I'll probably fiddle around with it anyway, discover this for myself, and then not bother with it anymore then.

And I'd like to thank all of you for helping me out here. I am much obliged. I was panicking for a bit, but I think I'll be able to fix my pc now. :)
Also, I noticed when looking at the 9800GTX+ specs that it uses PCI-e 2.0 too. Damn computer salesman could've given me a better motherboard to go with that too, back then. :scratch:
 
@dopezilla no need to shout on your pc salesman, because to my knowledge all pc motherboards that were based on 775 socket (or the core 2 and core quad cpu's) were PCI-E 16x v 1.0 the later revisions were restricted to "Core i" processor based motherboards such as corei3; corei5 and corei7..

socket of theese processors changed over the years but the unlogical naming of the processors did not. Even though i7 is sepose to be the best of the best cpu's out there , it has so many revisions and generations that even a i7 (if low end)can still be only dual core. so right now if someone wants to buy a pc than the buyer must know evry revision and evry generation of core i processors not to get screwed over by the seller and back in the core 2/core2quad it was different, higher model usually meant higher clocking speed = better performance, but right now there is a mess, zillion of generations of cpu's and there all named the same:p
just be sure it will fit your chasis and that there are drivers for it under vista other than that you should be fine.
 
Oh yeah, forgot to check if there are Vista drivers. Gonna do that right now. My chassis is big enough, I have this obscenely huge blue lit gaming case with a bazillion fans that's bigger than my desk, so I should be fine there.

Okay, so I've found out that there are no nVidia certified drivers but there are WHQL certified drivers available for Vista x64. This kind of creeps me out, I like seeing the nVidia logo. Is this gonna be a problem?
 
dopezilla said:
How much of a difference is Windows 7 going to make anyway? I know all the horror stories about Vista being the worst system since ME, but I've never really had any troubles with it. Is windows 7 just gonna run a lot faster?
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It's hard to say, but it is generally a lot faster. Vista is more dependant on hardware, so on a weaker system 7 will run a lot fast and more stable. Other than that, it's mainly driver compatibility and ease of use I guess.

If money is an issue, there are other easy means of getting Win 7. Not saying you should, just saying you could...
 
I'm not sure how it can be certified by nvidia (self signed?) but as for x64 bit system all drivers need to bee whql certified ..
whql program is microsoft based and launched way back when 64bit vista had issues with drivers and bluescreened all around (faulty drivers a.k.a not ready for x64 bit systems were the main reason vista x64 got such a bad press) this si when microsoft launched whql program to certify dhe drivers for windows to check for errors in memory managment and wether or not give them the ok seal of aprooval to run on x64bit systems..
other than that i have no idea what's the difference between nvidia and whql certification

as for the chasis and fitting the card inside, as i mentioned earlier it's not the issue of how big it is outside , but how much space there is inside.
usually mount slots for hdd and or fdd reduce the free space for the card from the end side of the card. Due to the fact that different manufacturers have different card sizes (mainly length) it may or may not be a problem to fit the card inside.. just saying , as they say it's better safe than sorry :P So try not to underestimate it ..

best of luck
 
aenemic said:
It's hard to say, but it is generally a lot faster. Vista is more dependant on hardware, so on a weaker system 7 will run a lot fast and more stable. Other than that, it's mainly driver compatibility and ease of use I guess.

If money is an issue, there are other easy means of getting Win 7. Not saying you should, just saying you could...
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I dunno, my vista PC has never blue screened at all. Only a few times when dust had amassed in the CPU fan a few years back did I have a few bluescreens, but clearing the dust completely solved that issue. The bluescreeen I've recently had was clearly related to my GPU which was fried, so that makes sense. I've never experienced any slowness on my system, not even now, after eight years of use (I do make a point of it to update my drivers every once in a while and run various anti-malware tools every now and again), so switching to windows 7 seems like a lot of hassle for a system that has never given me problems before. Of course, I couldn't say how much faster it would run on Windows 7 because I've never experienced it.

Like I said, I've lost my license for Windows 7 from my old laptop, and pirating a whole operating system feels like something I could potentially mess up. I might ask some family members if they have old Windows 7 licenses lying around they're not using.

I liked how Windows 7 and Windows 8 let me upgrade to Windows 10 without losing any of my shit, but I presume upgrading Vista to 7 will not be so seamless? Of course I can make back-ups of everything I use and move all my installers, paperwork, photos, music, savegames, mods and downloads to my external hard drives but I don't like hassle. :(

gustarballs1983 said:
I'm not sure how it can be certified by nvidia (self signed?) but as for x64 bit system all drivers need to bee whql certified ..
whql program is microsoft based and launched way back when 64bit vista had issues with drivers and bluescreened all around (faulty drivers a.k.a not ready for x64 bit systems were the main reason vista x64 got such a bad press) this si when microsoft launched whql program to certify dhe drivers for windows to check for errors in memory managment and wether or not give them the ok seal of aprooval to run on x64bit systems..
other than that i have no idea what's the difference between nvidia and whql certification

as for the chasis and fitting the card inside, as i mentioned earlier it's not the issue of how big it is outside , but how much space there is inside.
usually mount slots for hdd and or fdd reduce the free space for the card from the end side of the card. Due to the fact that different manufacturers have different card sizes (mainly length) it may or may not be a problem to fit the card inside.. just saying , as they say it's better safe than sorry :P So try not to underestimate it ..

best of luck
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Okay, so the drivers are okay. No problems there, then. I am going to take some measurements of the space I need for the new GPU, but there are no hdd's near my current GPU, so like I said, I'm guessing I'll be fine. My 9800GTX+ is already 10,5" long so yeah. The 560 doesn't even come close. Only the 560TI limited edition comes in at exactly 10,5". Nothing above or below my current GPU either. Like I said, I have this obscenely huge gaming case, and not that much stuff going on inside of it. :P
 
dopezilla said:
I dunno, my vista PC has never blue screened at all. Only a few times when dust had amassed in the CPU fan a few years back did I have a few bluescreens, but clearing the dust completely solved that issue. The bluescreeen I've recently had was clearly related to my GPU which was fried, so that makes sense. I've never experienced any slowness on my system, not even now, after eight years of use (I do make a point of it to update my drivers every once in a while and run various anti-malware tools every now and again), so switching to windows 7 seems like a lot of hassle for a system that has never given me problems before. Of course, I couldn't say how much faster it would run on Windows 7 because I've never experienced it.

Like I said, I've lost my license for Windows 7 from my old laptop, and pirating a whole operating system feels like something I could potentially mess up. I might ask some family members if they have old Windows 7 licenses lying around they're not using.

I liked how Windows 7 and Windows 8 let me upgrade to Windows 10 without losing any of my shit, but I presume upgrading Vista to 7 will not be so seamless? Of course I can make back-ups of everything I use and move all my installers, paperwork, photos, music, savegames, mods and downloads to my external hard drives but I don't like hassle. :(
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I feel you, I've always had a hard time upgrading things once I'm comfortable with something. I'm still on Win 7 on my desktop, and would be on my laptop as well hadn't it come with Win 10. I refused to try out Win 8, because it looked horrible and didn't seem user friendly at all. I'm still reluctant about Win 10, but it's certainly a step up from 8. I don't remember much of Vista to be honest, but 7 is absolutely my favorite so far. It's fast, it's easy and it looks good. It has never given me issues with games - in fact, I believe it's more backwards-compatible than Vista.

I do however reinstall Windows frequently, and I've made a habbit of storing everything on a separate partition or drive. My C drive is only for Windows and programs I can easily reinstall. That way I don't risk losing anything. But to be honest, I've had an ssd laying around for a couple of years now that I've been too lazy to install - I have a partition for C on one of my disks now and when I switch to the ssd I want to get rid of the partition. That means I will have to empty the entire (and almost full) 1 TB disk to reformat it. Just thinking about it makes me depressed.
 
few things to consider:
1. as far as i remember as it goes for windows 7 license the expensive BOX version only is allowed to be switched from pc to pc on the contrary OEM versions wich like the ones that come bundled with new laptops and desktops are tied to them like shit to water closet and OEM can't be switched to another pc

2. pirating OS newer than win xp requires extensive hacks done to the operating system because there are periodic checks for the system validity evry now and then thus one has to have the trust in the hacking software not to contain any webshit such as trojans, rootkits and backdoors etc. or be foolish enaugh to belive that hackers make their stuff like good samaritans and don't expect a profit from what they do..
honestly i havent found a single cracking program out there that would not contain any webshit in it so my best advice is to stay legal.

3. i also hated win 8.1 ant the whole gay-metro interface. but the moment i've found program called "classic shell" that chews into windows and allows to change back to startmenu and toggle some previously unavailable options like switching on/off aero-glass of the windwos startmenu bar and lots of other stuff. the only thing that pisses me of is the lack of ability to customize startup and shutdown sounds.
 
gustarballs1983 said:
few things to consider:
1. as far as i remember as it goes for windows 7 license the expensive BOX version only is allowed to be switched from pc to pc on the contrary OEM versions wich like the ones that come bundled with new laptops and desktops are tied to them like shit to water closet and OEM can't be switched to another pc

2. pirating OS newer than win xp requires extensive hacks done to the operating system because there are periodic checks for the system validity evry now and then thus one has to have the trust in the hacking software not to contain any webshit such as trojans, rootkits and backdoors etc. or be foolish enaugh to belive that hackers make their stuff like good samaritans and don't expect a profit from what they do..
honestly i havent found a single cracking program out there that would not contain any webshit in it so my best advice is to stay legal.

3. i also hated win 8.1 ant the whole gay-metro interface. but the moment i've found program called "classic shell" that chews into windows and allows to change back to startmenu and toggle some previously unavailable options like switching on/off aero-glass of the windwos startmenu bar and lots of other stuff. the only thing that pisses me of is the lack of ability to customize startup and shutdown sounds.
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1: that sucks. No windows 7 for me then.
2: I thought so, which is why I wasn't too keen to try.
3: Windows 8 is the worst. I hate hate hate hate it.

In conclusion, I'll stay right here with my Vista, then. I wish I could upgrade to Windows 10 (if my old hardware even allows that sort of thing), but I have to actually buy the license. :(
 
windows 8.1 is not actually that bad but it requires the Classic Shell to be installed on top of it... after that it's almost the same as windows 7 or vista maybe a bit faster it's 10 that i'm worried about it still needs at least service pack 1 sort of thing to run good..

and no worries Your system should be fine for win 10 i have pretty similar system to yours only i upgraded the video card to a more expensive AMD counterpart and OS to win 7 and the microsoft adware as i call it constantly urges me to upgrade to windows 10 saying that i met the requiremets and that Comunistic News Network or known by some as CNN says "win 10 is cool, go for it"..

Truth is i tried win 10 on my x86 tablet with intel atom and win8.1 outperforms win 10 a lot (although i had several feautres turned off such as superfetch and prefetcher and all those datamining & spy options and other bloatware sich as cortana implemented by M$ ) mostly due to security reasons but some for improoving the lifetime of the built-in 32GB flash memory. Luckily i decided to revert back to win 8.1 in time as the time to revert back was limited to 30 days or so.. As for now unless win 10 gets that service pack or other speed overhaul im not going to even bother switching to win 10 within that 1year timeframe.
 
I used to have 8.1 on my laptop but I still hated it. I mainly upgraded to 10 because I didn't want to have to deal with Windows 8 any longer. No regrets so far. All privacy settings set to as private as possible because I didn't like all the info Windows was gathering on me and that would be my only complaint about Win10 so far. That bitch Cortana has been silenced too. I don't need an assistant. Runs silky smooth here. But I only use my laptop for Netflix, browsing, casting to my chromecast and storing photographs anyway, so it doesn't have to be all that fast. Casual laptop is casual.
 
belive it or not i bought that x86 tablet to play Diablo 3 and other AAA titles on it :D so i rend evry unnesecary piece of blowatware from memory just to gain enaugh smoothnes to play on low resolution and low to 0 visual quality but it mostly does it's job. especialy on holidays when i'm out on vacation

this rig is capable of running practically any game that runs on x32bit modern day pc and 10 year old games run crystally smooth on low to medium quality for example wasteland 2 runs medicorely however director's cut is x64 bit only so no chance on making it run nor Fo4.

in terms of eficiency win 8.1 totally owns win 10. However it got bad press because too many people got their hands on it when it was not fully developed yet. later on when it got it's fixes it ran quite good and system customization program called classic shell puts a cherry on the cake and disposes of that ugly metro menu and turns it in to classic menu start known from previous windowses.. this is the final issue people usually complain about win 8. As for win 10 for me it's crappy not only because there is so much bloatware to turn off at the start but also efficiency wise is't still too early to use it. Windowses usually are shitty at the begining, it's the first service pack that makes them shine. Further service packs polish them even more.

same way with vista.. people whine about it and speak trash about it, but for me it was a favourite system since i had no trouble with it up until my new card did require an OS upgrade. i wasn't happy when i had to "fork out the dough" for new windows but it amazed me how much faster it runs, how much faster it boots and how much faster my antivirus starts up on it. All on the same hardware (except the video card).
One day win 10 is also going to bee that major step in efficiency just like vista is when compared to XP just not at the beggining of systems lifetime the same was with almost all windowses except maybe win 95 and win 98 where they were good to go from scratch.. xp was a usable system from sp2 upwards same with vista before that evrybody crashed, frozed, BSOD'd and the like
 
aenemic said:
I do however reinstall Windows frequently, and I've made a habbit of storing everything on a separate partition or drive. My C drive is only for Windows and programs I can easily reinstall. That way I don't risk losing anything. But to be honest, I've had an ssd laying around for a couple of years now that I've been too lazy to install - I have a partition for C on one of my disks now and when I switch to the ssd I want to get rid of the partition. That means I will have to empty the entire (and almost full) 1 TB disk to reformat it. Just thinking about it makes me depressed.
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There are tools for cloning your system drive to the SSD and there are tools that can embiggen a partition whilst keeping the data. (In fact, the built-in Windows partitioning tool should be capable of that.) The process will not take very long and there's really no excuse to leave that SSD unused.
I also don't see why anyone running Windows 7+ would feel the need to "reinstall Windows frequently".
 
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Buxbaum666 said:
There are tools for cloning your system drive to the SSD and there are tools that can embiggen a partition whilst keeping the data. (In fact, the built-in Windows partitioning tool should be capable of that.) The process will not take very long and there's really no excuse to leave that SSD unused.
I also don't see why anyone running Windows 7+ would feel the need to "reinstall Windows frequently".
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Really? I didn't know that. I'm waiting on some parts for an upgrade anyways, so might as well install the ssd when I install all that stuff then.

As for reinstalling Windows, by frequently I mean about once every two years or so. I'm aware that you don't need to do it as regularly as with older versions, but I find it quick and easy and I like having a fresh start when I feel like it's starting to run a bit slower. There'll always be old registry keys, drivers, installation folders and stuff I can't be bothered manually removing. And I don't trust third party software enough to take care of that.
 
Enjoy! Before you know it, you'll want a new everything :)

Few things make me as happy as a pc upgrade. Not sure what that says about me.
 
dopezilla said:
Already do. Not gonna happen, though. Picking up my card in a bit.
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Perfect timing with the weekend. I would be all set with a new motherboard, new cpu, new video card and new ram three days ago if I just hadn't fucked my order. I didn't realize my account on the website had an old address tied to it, so the packet was shipped to a whole other city... now I just have to sit here and wait for them to return everything and send it out again.
 
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