Spiritism

I don't understand what this thread is about?
I mean, I understand the subject, but what is the purpose?
You just made a thread to link to a wiki page and say that you'll answer questions about... the link?
 
xdarkreyx said:
I don't understand what this thread is about?
I mean, I understand the subject, but what is the purpose?
You just made a thread to link to a wiki page and say that you'll answer questions about... the link?
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The purpose is to disseminate Spiritism, an interesting philosophy that is nicely explained in the above link.

Starseeker said:
LOL, it's pretty obvious, he is trying to preach/convert.
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Thanks why I love NMA, the guys here have a talent for upseting people without being unpleasant! :mrgreen:

But seriously, the difference between disseminating and preaching/converting is that I just placed a link up there; you read if you wish, and if you don't agree with what you read, I won't get stressed debate it.

Plus, preaching is for religions, something spiritism seems not to be at all.
 
still a bunch of looneys as far as i'm concerned ;)

the fact that they're supposed to pray to 'god', while not believing in god as an individual or as a concious entity seems like utter bullcrap. why do you pray to something/someone that you are sure will not grant your prayer?
 
SuAside said:
still a bunch of looneys as far as i'm concerned ;)
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Isn't everyone, tho'?

SuAside said:
the fact that they're supposed to pray to 'god', while not believing in god as an individual or as a concious entity seems like utter bullcrap. why do you pray to something/someone that you are sure will not grant your prayer?
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Lots of Christian denominations don't pray to have something granted.
 
Brother None said:
Lots of Christian denominations don't pray to have something granted.
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I think he meant that it's stupid to pray to something you do not believe exists, as opposed to Christians.
Besides, whether or not they pray to have something granted depends on your outlook. You could say that every prayer is submission to god and therefore a request to get into heaven.
Say your daily prayers, even if you don't want something from them = get into heaven.
 
Brother None said:
SuAside said:
still a bunch of looneys as far as i'm concerned ;)
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Isn't everyone, tho'?
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the vast majority, surely :P

Brother None said:
Lots of Christian denominations don't pray to have something granted.
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well, but at least they're convinced they're praying to a concious being...
 
I stand by my philosophical stance that all Cartesian dualisms are inherently flawed. They have no basis in rationale, they are half-assed guesses with half-assed answers.

Makenshi said:
But seriously, the difference between disseminating and preaching/converting is that I just placed a link up there; you read if you wish, and if you don't agree with what you read, I won't get stressed (and stress you) trying to convince that my convictions are the absolute truth of the universe.

Plus, preaching is for religions, something spiritism is not at all.
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That is a pretty arbitrary distinction.
This is still 'preaching' and 'converting'.
It's just passive as opposed to aggressive.
There are only a few reasons one might disseminate a belief, and preaching and converting are the two this seems to be, despite your contrary statement.

Starseeker said:
Who says God or Gods is/are conscious? :P
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Every monotheistic and polytheistic religion in the world.

thats more than 90% of the ones I know of ;)

Hindu is the only exception, since it is both monotheistic AND polytheistic, and at times, neither.
 
Same shit, different ass. I don't get it. Human beings are no big deal. Why are we so arrogant that we just cannot accept that we're not (neither spiritually, nor physically) immortal?
 
alican said:
Same shit, different ass. I don't get it. Human beings are no big deal. Why are we so arrogant that we just cannot accept that we're not (neither spiritually, nor physically) immortal?
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the answer lies in an instinctual hardwiring theorized to exist in the broca's area of the brain :)
As a reasoning for development and self perpetuation, the human mind is predisposed to believe in the intentional stance.
 
xdarkyrex said:
alican said:
Same shit, different ass. I don't get it. Human beings are no big deal. Why are we so arrogant that we just cannot accept that we're not (neither spiritually, nor physically) immortal?
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the answer lies in an instinctual hardwiring theorized to exist in the broca's area of the brain :)
As a reasoning for development and self perpetuation, the human mind is predisposed to believe in the intentional stance.
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My shrink says so. I don't agree with that. Even though humans do have the instinct to survive, the intelligence of the kind makes difference. Myself, I wouldn't want to live forever, it's tiresome. I wouldn't want to exist as a soul either, too much knowledge and too much to think about. Immortality would be a real damnation for me. I would like to rest after some point, just cease to exist.
 
There's only 2 possibilities:

1. We're not imortal souls; good for you, all you've done - on a personal level at least - will be for nothing because you will cease to exist just the way you wish.

2. We're imortal souls; you'll have to bear with the 'tiresomeness' of living forever as imortals probably can't self-destruct. Oh, and bear with the ever increasing knowledge that will come due to being aware of things.

About being physicaly immortal, of course we're not; people die everyday and, so far, immortal highlander warriors are Hollywood fiction. :lol:
 
Yes.. well it's kind of a win win situation. Do you think there's internet in afterlife? :)
 
SuAside said:
still a bunch of looneys as far as i'm concerned ;)

the fact that they're supposed to pray to 'god', while not believing in god as an individual or as a concious entity seems like utter bullcrap. why do you pray to something/someone that you are sure will not grant your prayer?
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Well, SuA, I often find myself "praying", though not to anything or anyone in particular (Usually I name Odin, because I think it's funny), and without any true belief in a supreme being receiving or granting my prayer, it's simply something to comfort me when I can't sleep at 2 in the morning and I can't sleep.

That said, I think religion is a little bit silly, and that one just sounds sort of pretentious. (It is French, after all...)
I do think it's sort of silly for Makenshi to post this link here, I don't make posts about spiritual atheism here, but whatever. I don't mind.
 
alican said:
Yes.. well it's kind of a win win situation. Do you think there's internet in afterlife? :)
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Dunno. There are some universities experimenting with a thing called Instrumental Transcomunication since 1940, and these studies claim that there's a possiility of communication between spirits and the living, through any sort of electronic device such as tape recorders, fax machines, television sets or computers.

Here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voice_phenomena#Instrumental_transcommunication_.28ITC.29

Maybe the dead have computers somewhat, but I'm a bit skeptic; if these studies come to a positive conclusion, I bet they will discover something more than 'immaterial computers', which is a bit ilogic as computers are made of matter. But who knows? So many people got surprised when it was announced that there are extrasolar planets, even thought it obvious that in 100000000 stars in the Milk Way (not to say in the other 10000000 galaxies known) there should be planets.

Stag said:
I think religion is a little bit silly, and that one just sounds sort of pretentious. (It is French, after all...)
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Anything that deals with the concepts of God and after-life may end up looking like a religion, but this one, as I told, claims to be a philosophy, not a religion. There are no priests, dogmas, altars, donations, holy books, hierachy, ecclesiarchy, taboos and stuff.

And don't worry abou the French factor, Brazillians took it over!

Stag said:
I do think it's sort of silly for Makenshi to post this link here, I don't make posts about spiritual atheism here, but whatever. I don't mind.
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I love when people post any sort of knowledge I usually don't have access to, such as Feng Shui and Sun Tzu (actually I have access to Sun, but no patience). You shold try and post something about atheism, I barely know what that is - is it materialist? or just a general lack of faith in anything specific?

Why silly? Not offended, just didn't understand. Offense for me is be called retarded, I'm not with Bethesda ^^
 
dictionary said:
1 a: the state of a religious b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3: archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
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Yes sir, it most certainly is a religion. (All religions are philosophies)
Now, one might argue that it is in fact not an organized religion... but thats really petty.
The more you know ;)
 
Makenshi said:
alican said:
Yes.. well it's kind of a win win situation. Do you think there's internet in afterlife? :)
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Dunno. There are some universities experimenting with a thing called Instrumental Transcomunication since 1940, and these studies claim that there's a possiility of communication between spirits and the living, through any sort of electronic device such as tape recorders, fax machines, television sets or computers.

Here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voice_phenomena#Instrumental_transcommunication_.28ITC.29
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I know what you're talking about. These stuff've been scaring the hell out of me since I watched the teaser trailer of the movie called "White Noise". And there's a link from the movie's site to another site, www.aaevp.com which is a website that tells you how to make your own instruments to communicate with the dead. I even knew a few friends of mine were going to try this out in a graveyard, but I think they were too lazy (scared) to go.

My cousin has an electronics - communication diploma, I asked him about it, actually he's the one who showed me the trailer in the first place. He says white noise is actually the buzz we hear on the radio, the unwantedly heard frequency of nature, radiowaves that every being emit, and it's a part of their work to reduce it. I don't believe you can hear dead people because I believe there's no soul but only chemical stuff going around in your brain, but nevertheless, interesting concept they are talking about.
 
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