Subm. Dragon Age: Origins

[Dragula]

They were on sale on Steam, all of it.

It's not my fault you make poor financial decisions, but 40-50€ for a game is not a lot. And if you HAVE to buy everything at once, then yes, it get's more expensive, which it always has with expansions etc.


Basically you are just crying about how you bought more than the base game, and it costed more than the base game.

??????
Profit.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

They were on sale on Steam, all of it.

It's not my fault you make poor financial decisions, but 40-50€ for a game is not a lot. And if you HAVE to buy everything at once, then yes, it get's more expensive, which it always has with expansions etc.


Basically you are just crying about how you bought more than the base game, and it costed more than the base game.

??????
Profit.

Mass Effect 3 is not even available on Steam, so I have no idea what you are talking about and neither do you apparently. You have to purchase DLC through the BioWare Social Network via Origin or directly from their website. You already stated you don't know what the DLC costs and yet you're being very insulting and condescending.

You're simply incorrect about the price of the Mass Effect series and ME3 in particular, and that is all there really is to this discussion.

You're essentially defending EA charging upwards of $70-80 for a 4 year old game as this thread details:
https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/3gdzbs/lets_talk_about_mass_effect_dlcs_cost/

In the end, the purchase was worth it because it's a quality game, but the cost of the whole package is quite steep especially given it's nearly a 4 year old game. And even after paying that much I learned that when connection to EA servers fail, you CANNOT PLAY THE DLC due to DRM.

You seem to have a problem with my opinion on the price, and have taken to claiming I'm poor, "make poor financial decisions" and "live in Africa."

You also have a terrible, insulting, condescending attitude towards others. Good day.

 

[Dragula]

Aaah, it's 1 and 2 that's on steam, the whole collection.

Nevermind. Apparently reading is difficult.

I am complaining about the bitching, it's a game that will easily give you 60 hours of fun, that's like 1$ per hour. It's not _expensive_ compared to other hobbies.

Also you cry a lot.

 

[Dragula]

Also yes, purchasing Mass Effect 3 is a poor decision, it's a shitty game with a shitty ending.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

Aaah, it's 1 and 2 that's on steam, the whole collection.

Nevermind. Apparently reading is difficult.

I am complaining about the bitching, it's a game that will easily give you 60 hours of fun, that's like 1$ per hour. It's not _expensive_ compared to other hobbies.

Also you cry a lot.

My post was about how I finally gave in and spent the large sum of money that it costs to purchase Mass Effect 3 with all its DLC, and how I enjoyed the experience despite the high price.

Then you butt in exclaiming I must "live in Africa" to be so poor as to consider the game expensive. Then when I thoroughly explain how you're wrong about the price and after admitting you don't actually know the price, you still throw insults.

Enough. I won't be engaging in conversation with you any further.

 

[ZigzagPX4]

it's a game that will easily give you 60 hours of fun, that's like 1$ per hour. It's not _expensive_ compared to other hobbies.

I sort of agree with this, relatively. Unless it's completely not functional, most AAA games tend to be worth the cost.

Their problems are that their content isn't all that inspiring and seeks to innovate nothing, sticking to safe features so that profits keep rolling it, but the games themselves have enough content to entertain.

Whether the games themselves are good or not are a seperate entity of debate.


Back to the main topic before this goes off rails into another dimension. DA:O - great submission, thank you. DA:I - has an okay story, somewhat repetitive gameplay, so if you're okay with playing it for the writing, wait for a sale.

And yes, Origin does have sales. Pretty good sales at that, and no surprise because they have to compete with Steam. Origin sales are rare but worth it. That's the last of my reviews for this.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

And yes, Origin does have sales. Pretty good sales at that, and no surprise because they have to compete with Steam. Origin sales are rare but worth it. That's the last of my reviews for this.

As far as I have researched I can't find out if the ME3 DLC has ever been on sale. Many posts on reddit and elsewhere claim the ME3 DLC for PC has never gone on sale. Super Bunnyhop did a DLC video recently where he explained he has not yet played ME3 because of the DLC situation.

The base game is always "on sale" and that seems to be the strategy - sell the base game cheap and maintain the DLC original price, which in the end ends up adding to about $70. I got enough entertainment out of it to warrant the purchase and I think the production values of the game were good enough to justify a higher price, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a very high price for a 4 year old game compared to what else is out there in AAA games.

I agree with you about Dragon Age Origins - one of the best games I have ever played and definitely worth it on the PC. DA 2 sullied my experience though, and as a result I will be very hesitant to spend the kind of money I spent for ME 3 when buying DA: Inquisition if I ever do. According to the above poster, that means I'm poor and live in Africa because "grown adults spend that much on a single night out" ("burning" lots of money on a night out is not a sign of financial responsibility or adulthood).

 

[Atomkilla]

"Enormous amounts of money"

Do all of you live in Africa or something? Most adult people burn more than that on a night out.

I'm not partial to the rest of the discussion as I haven't read any of it, but sorry Dragula, you're wrong about this.

Coming from a European country where average monthly wage is barely 400 euros, spending 50 euros on a game can be a big deal for some people. And there are many European countries where the average wage is similar, so yeah, 70 bucks can be enormous for people even outside of Africa.


That being said, DA:O and ME games have been on sale many times for really low amounts of money. ME3 still isn't worth a dime tho. And yeah, even in shitholes like this there are people who spend ridiculous amounts of money for a night out.

 

[ZigzagPX4]

I suggest that if you liked hated DA:2 then you might want to skip DA:I.

They're still vastly different but basically, DA:I is like DA:O tainted by the touch of both the second game and offline-MMO design. In a sense, there are good parts but some pretty startling negative aspects of DA:2 return.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

I suggest that if you liked hated DA:2 then you might want to skip DA:I.

They're still vastly different but basically, DA:I is like DA:O tainted by the touch of both the second game and offline-MMO design. In a sense, there are good parts but some pretty startling negative aspects of DA:2 return.

Thanks for letting me know. Here's hoping Mass Effect: Andromeda doesn't move in that direction.

 

[Dragula]

I'm not partial to the rest of the discussion as I haven't read any of it, but sorry Dragula, you're wrong about this.

Coming from a European country where average monthly wage is barely 400 euros, spending 50 euros on a game can be a big deal for some people. And there are many European countries where the average wage is similar, so yeah, 70 bucks can be enormous for people even outside of Africa.


That being said, DA:O and ME games have been on sale many times for really low amounts of money. ME3 still isn't worth a dime tho. And yeah, even in shitholes like this there are people who spend ridiculous amounts of money for a night out.

Yeah that's my point, even in countries like that people can burn a lot of money on a night out, giving one night like that up to getting a game, is not spending a lot.

 

[Ragemage]

Not sure if someone's mentioned this already, but you can buy Dragon Age: Origins Ultimate Edition on Steam too, not just Origin. You need Origin for the 2nd game and Inquisition though. (though you should definitely skip the 2nd game, it isn't worth it. It's very short, so just watch a lets play on Youtube) I'd recommend getting it on Steam because Origin has a tendency to crash a lot and is a very shitty interface. Steam is much more functional and doesn't cause errors on my computer.

 

[Ragemage]

I never played Dragon Age Inquisition because Dragon Age 2 ruined the franchise for me. I never played Mass Effect 3 either after playing 1 and 2. Are either Inquisition or Mass Effect 3 worth it at this point?

I can't say anything about Mass Effect 3 because I haven't played any of the Mass Effect games, but as for Inquisition I say yes, go for it. The game is very long, with a huge open world to explore. The main quest is actually very fun, the companions are just as good as Fallout New Vegas's, and the whole game just feels polished. I know a lot of people bemoan the game because it does have a lot of MMO-like sidequests but in all honesty I didn't mind. I think it's mainly because the scenery is much more beautiful to look at than anything FO4 has to offer, but also because there's more variety with enemies to fight, things to find, places to explore, and so forth. It's worth playing through at least twice to see both the Mage's side and Templar's side of the world. There's also a lot of little ways you can affect the story through this thing called the War Table, where you get a lot of small story quests you can do for gold, prestige, and companion fame. It's a neat little system and helps add on to the already very rich story that is Dragon Age's lore.

 

[Ragemage]

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I absolutely hated DA2, but I liked Inquisition. To each their own I suppose. Unlike FO4 the MMO-type quests didn't really bother me. I can't really answer why on that. I think because the game just feels better when playing it. Plus I love the party banter, so wandering around through gorgeous scenery, listening to my party squabble, and picking up rabbit pelts was a good time to me.

Plus unlike FO4 Inquisition is HUGE in its world exploration. I loved exploring every pretty corner of it. DA2 in comparison is 1 extremely small city and that's pretty much it.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

I absolutely hated DA2, but I liked Inquisition. To each their own I suppose.

Meh. Dragon Age 2 is objectively, not subjectively, a bad game. It's pretty much a fact. When the composer for your game comes out and says "yea it was a rush job" then it's a bad game.

Also those ridiculous over-the-top combat animations make the whole franchise look like some kind of dumbed down cartoon. And a million other reasons...which incidentally is about the number of times you see the exact same location pretending to be somewhere else because of all the re-used locations.

I was absolutely dumbfounded at the number of re-used locations in DA2. The story is also bad (that last hour or so is ridiculous) but it is barely noticeable because all the cut corners are so obvious that I was more irritated about those than the story itself. I guess I'll try Inquisition though and see what happens.

 

[Spacemunkey]

Meh. I guess I'll try Inquisition though and see what happens.

I wouldn't recommend it. DAI feels like an offline mmo, complete with collection quests and revisit locations quests. The world is huge but very lackluster, and I would add it to the list of franchises that are ruined by giving the player a voice. I also feel like they break their own lore by giving a Dwarf a magic mark on his hand, when they established Dwarves don't have a connection to the fade or magic. They may have explained it in game, but it shouldn't have been done in the first place.

 

[Ragemage]

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Honestly the only places I didn't explore 100% were the Hinderlands (because, even I'll admit, they made that place TOO big) and the Hissing Wastes, mainly because that place was pretty much a night-time copy of that other desert area. Still pretty but not worth exploring besides some of the puzzle ruins and the dragons.

I dunno, I have fond memories of Inquisition. Like I sad previously I think it's because the companion banter and gorgeous scenery kept me distracted from the fact I was doing repetitious quests. That and I found combat fun. I played as an archer so I got to do all sorts of crazy stuff with a bow. In Fallout 4 you're basically travelling with a living meat bag you use to store your stuff and that's it. The world is okay to look at but it's nothing compared to Inquisition. That and the story's shit compared to Inquisition's, thus probably why I noticed FO4's flaws much much more.

It's strange, Inquisition and FO4 both have repetitious quests but Inquisition's are much much more tolerable. I think because I love the companions, the locations, the main quest, and so forth it kept me much more immersed. Plus there's the fact your actions will actually change things like your castle, compared to FO4 where your actions don't change a goddamn thing, even in the end. On that note Inquisition also did a voiced protagonist much better than FO4. The voice actor sounds invested, and you have a choice between 2 voice actors instead of being stuck with generic white toast voice the whole time.

 

[Spacemunkey]

Don't get me wrong DAI looks good and Bioware can always write characters well, but you can't have this much empty space with nothing but a few generic enemies and a dragon.




As for the voice the male voices fit fine with the human noble and Elf, but for a Dwarf and Qunari that sounded way off.

 

[Ragemage]

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That place you posted a video of was the one I was talking about, the Hissing Wastes. I didn't fully explore that one either. A lot of the locations don't really have too many barren places though. To me the Hissing Wastes are a very boring exception to the rest of the game, I only went there for the 1 big dungeon and the dragons. Honestly my favorite spot in the whole game is the Emerald Graves. Lots of enemies, lots of beautiful scenery, fun quests, etc. Plus I liked learning the old elves' history.

Personally I'll agree that neither voice really fits a dwarf character, but I think the deep one works just fine for a Qunari.

 

[Spacemunkey]

The voice is far too cordial for a Qunari, especially if you build a Saarebas who spent his entire life in chains.