Suicide

Angrim
Wow, I'm impressed that they hanged themselves. Girls usually take sleeping pills or slit their wrists, so they can be still saved if someone happens to walk by. They certainly weren't just attention whores. Wow.

Well that could very well be, but maybe they hung themselves to get your kind of reaction and thus a special note of attention.

SuAside
maybe i'm just a sociopath, but really, who gives a shit?
the world is overpopulated, overpoluted, filled with war and crime. as far as i can see, they did the rest of us a favor. so: good going girls!
two less emos in the world, hoorah!

Natural Selection

Sorrow wrote:
Suicide sucks, because one wastes his life instead of taking his enemies with him.

Nice...


But what I've come to learn personally is this. Psychology is one hell of a class and it certainly changes yoru perspective on almost everything. About how such a simple chemical imbalance can vastly effect ones self. And how important motivation can be, all sorts of stuff. It could possibly be that those girls I dunno... Hadn't been eating right for awhile (annorexic emos?) and thus weren't getting the proepr nutrients and sugar to keep their brain from running into some crazed form or depression.

Meh...
 
Goweigus said:
--- maybe they hung themselves to get your kind of reaction and thus a special note of attention.
Nah... They probably just wanted a quick way to finish themselves off.

Honestly, this whole piece of news really doesn't move me either way. I didn't know the girls and people die every day. To me, it's okay to do anything to yourself (for example, kill yourself, stab your eye out, cut yourself), if you don't hurt or bother anyone else.

Of course, they caused a lot of grief to their friend and families, but I really think they had a right to do the shit they wanted.
 
Smoke_Jaguar said:
Yeah, the bastards don't even let you in with fruit. FRUIT!

thats 'cos we're afraid of the explosive potential of fruit... or something, maybe the taliban are involved? hell that lying little bastard dwarf of a PM that we have will try and spin it some way to stay in the top job.

maybe they were just sooooo afraid to live in this "terrorist" age that they just offed themselves?

ahhh fuck it all, i don't really care

me...
 
Von Drunky said:
Yeah, we should just have a VA Tech Tragedy each time some simpleton can't handle reality.

Easy there. Don't generalize about suicide. Calling people who kill themselves simpletons takes a lot of chutzpah. Have you tried putting yourself in other people's shoes? Being smart doesn't preclude being human. Compassion is a part of being human and just like addicts people who commit suicide may be mentally deranged. It's very easy and comfortable to call other people wimps or simpletons when your selfs teem (sp?) is high and mighty (or when you are a great asshole). Let's see how you do when your problems overwhelm you. Let's see how you cope when someone close to you, jumps from a bridge and smashes himself against one of the support pillars. I want to know how will you feel when you look at their corpse with it's broken cranium and their eyes out of their sockets, their brain, protruding out of their skull . That "thing" whom you called brother/friend/father is nothing more than cleaner's nightmare. With all due respect, FUCK YOU! :evil:

Think about this. Think about someone you care about...imagine that someone right here on this forum decides to kill himself. Someone you know has a history of depression. Hypothesizing, imagine Alec kills himself. I have read what he posts and even the anger and sadness that he conveys when life treats him like a punching bag and I have NEVER thought he is a simpleton. I think he is a very passionate man and I think he'll produce excellent work. Emotions aren't rational, please do not treat them as such. Having a high IQ doesn't mean shit when it comes to dealing with emotions. I apologize if it seems I'm overreacting but it pisses me off when people treat other's feeling with such levity and casual care.
 
An appreciable excercise in empathy, Skynet, but Von Drunky wasn't talking about suicide; he was responding to Sorrow's comment that suicide is a waste because you don't take your enemies with you. He wasn't condemning those who commit suicide; he was condemning those who commit murder-suicide.

On that matter, Von Drunky: While I'm butting in, I may as well point out that Sorrow was only being flippant. (Either that, or the guy's got some serious problems, but my guess would be the former.)
 
Yamu said:
On that matter, Von Drunky: While I'm butting in, I may as well point out that Sorrow was only being flippant. (Either that, or the guy's got some serious problems, but my guess would be the former.)
Both, I visited the Bethsoft forums on the same day and I was in state of mental trauma :P .
 
Suicide is a sensitive topic to me. I understand that some people perhaps do it for attention: a cousin of mine did this to run from her responsibility to raise her child (she tried to slit her wrists and got herself booked into a hospital for observation, I didn't even visit her because I was afraid I might tell her if I saw her face to face). What pissed me the most was her excuse (I got myself knocked up and because I have had to raise my kid (living in her parents house) and I haven't enjoyed life enough so stop bugging me or I'll slit my throat next time)) and pissed the whole family off. That's one case where I know the circumstances but unless I know the facts I'm very sympathetic to people who feel down. I've been down that road and I know that if circumstances coincided in a certain way I could be the one that's kicked the bucket. I apologize if I sounded too inflammatory but this is a real sensitive topic to me. Reading back, I understand that most posters meant no harm. Please remember guys that this is not a topic you can treat lightly. If someone you know has mentioned that topic to you, please be careful. No one can bring back the dead and no, you can't ever make peace with them. Memories is all you'll have...THAT and a nasty wound in your conscience that won't ever heal.
 
A deep thought from Skynet right there. Sadly buddy, there are few things worst than losing someone you love, be it friend, wife or your own blood. I am not moved by your story about your cousin, I am moved because of what you feel.

Taking responsability for you own actions becomes something people don't want to deal with nowadays, when there are easier ways out. But suicide isn't one of them, it takes very much pain to put thought into commitment regarding this issue. It's sad indeed when sane, normal people like you and me contemplate suicide, and it's truly a terrible waste of life. Often times though, suicide is commited by disturbed individuals, whose disease can be cured if their family aknoledges their mental illness and takes appropriate action.

But one can't help to wonder what lies to the other side. Maybe like when commiting a crime, the punishment is prison, when commiting suicide the punishment is...
 
You never know when they were actually murdered by super assassins from the future trying to prevent them from coming up with a cure for cancer that backfires after 30 years and wipes out almost every human on earth :wink:
 
Goweigus said:
You never know when they were actually murdered by super assassins from the future trying to prevent them from coming up with a cure for cancer that backfires after 30 years and wipes out almost every human on earth :wink:
This is probably the truth, my friend.

Now, you should hide from the super assassins, lest they discover that you are on to them.

Please hide for some time.
 
I just read an update on the story and apparently one or both of of the girls got into emo music last year and started wearing white make up and weird clothes. Of course kids being kids, they ostracized and bullied the hell out of her at school.

P.S.
I had never heard of emo before this story. Does that mean I am officially old and uncool now? :lol:
 
Davaris said:
Of course kids being kids, they ostracized and bullied the hell out of her at school.
Emos and other people obsessed with their own depression ostracize themselves first, before others cast them aside which furthers the depression and their idiotic rationale for choosing to be alone.

It's part of a downward spiral they doom themselves to.

Its possible they can be helped, but only if someone spares the compassion for an outsider and only if the depressed individual can stop wallowing in their miserable thoughts for a moment to look at life and its potential and what they actually have.
 
PhredBean said:
Emos and other people obsessed with their own depression ostracize themselves first, before others cast them aside which furthers the depression and their idiotic rationale for choosing to be alone.

It's part of a downward spiral they doom themselves to.

Its possible they can be helped, but only if someone spares the compassion for an outsider and only if the depressed individual can stop wallowing in their miserable thoughts for a moment to look at life and its potential and what they actually have.
Hmm. I wonder, in the face of such compassion and empathy, why they choose to remain separate.
 
I love victim mentalities and people who feel they have to feel for everyone else and accuse everyone else of being apathetic and heartless. Stop bleeding for them, they do it enough for themselves. You don't think any part of it is their fault when they push everyone off and feed their negative emotions with depressing songs, dismal poetry, or by locking themselves away?

I've spent four years between 1999 and 2003 volunteering as a counseling aide at a high school for young parents. I can't tell you how many girls I've seen as young as eleven who pull themselves into a depressive funk, shoot their self esteem to hell, and wind up pregnant because they can't be bothered to care enough to say no anymore or because they sometimes even want to make themselves miserable and try to become pregnant early.

I'll have compassion on those who have suffered and became depressed for it, I've dealt with plenty of rape victims and the like and I do everything I can to help them, but I have nothing for people who allow themselves to become depressed first and make themselves and those who love them suffer. Even more frustrating is that the ones who did it to themselves are usually the ones that won't allow themselves to be helped, they become addicted to it, apathetic towards life, or screw their lives up horribly.

Those girls in the article had no reason to be depressed or suicidal, they did it to themselves.

Suicide isn't cowardly, it's wasteful, stupid, and selfish.
 
I think you're completely right Phred Bean. I also think you're a small hero for doing all that work.

I've had plenty of bad things happen, but I could never kill myself. I'd feel too ashamed at the prospect of making life worse to for dying to do anything that would get me killed. :lol:

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
The only defense I could bring for suicide is rather philosophical, not documented, or well.. widely accepted.
I tend to believe that some people don't need to be depressed or in a state where they are afraid to live, so to speak, to commit suicide.
I think there are people who commit suicide as some sort of ultimate act. When they consider they lived their life, did everything they wanted to, and there is no reason to just live. I believe there are people who commit suicide with their heart at peace.
Whether these people could be considered crazy is another thing. I don't think they are.
I do think it's selfish, though. But I never was one to consider selfishness a bad thing.

Think of this. I never choose to be brought to this world. Who is to say I shouldn't leave it when I want to?
 
If I was to kill myself I would rather invite someone else to go a death match with me with viking age weapons, if I win, well then I certainly would have no reason to kill myself, If I loose, then well, Odin I come to ye!
 
Emos and other people obsessed with their own depression ostracize themselves first, before others cast them aside which furthers the depression and their idiotic rationale for choosing to be alone.

Yes I totally agree. I am currently at college and there are loads of emos.

The thing I have found is that are all mostly from rich families. They dont usually have real problems, and just crave attention/want to rebel from authority.
The irony is that so many of them rebel from what is considered "the norm" , that emo is now another "norm".

(this of course may not be the case for every emo out there but its my experience from most that i have met in the UK)

I also know of many people that dont have a stable relationship with parents, are from poor families and have a really tough time but nearly all of them stay strong and work through it all and dont resort to self harm etc etc.
 
Treupp said:
according to them, will solve everything
So with problem didn't they solve?

DirtyDreamDesigner said:
If they figured that the world would be a better place without them who are we to argue.
Well, if they decided that the world didn't deserve them, your argument becomes underlined with the though that maybe the world could have been saved...
 
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