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The Animated Adventures? Kicks mucho butt, yes. But that futuristic Batman blows.
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geekpocket
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i bet you wouldnt call batman gay to his face. cus he'd whip out some homophobe beatstick or grapplehook or something and beat you. what's a homophobe beatstick? ever been beat by a rubber hose? it's like that.
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Only harder, i suppose 
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geekpocket said:
I'd call the really old tv show batman gay, i'd call the val kilmer batman a pansy, but not gay, i'd call the george clooney batman a fag, and i'd bow to the badass manliness of the michael keaton batman. He was the most dominating movie batman, period.
welsh
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You know the original TV Batman went on to do porno. Something to thing about!
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^Word. Keaton was by far the best Batman in the movies. Kilmer was really pansy.
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two things would have made the movie Batman and Robin better.
1- george clooney should never have said a word
2- alicia silverstones costume should have been a thong
1- george clooney should never have said a word
2- alicia silverstones costume should have been a thong
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3 - Uma Thurman's jumpsuit should be transparent.
requiem_for_a_starfury said:
That's an odd remark, requiem. In fact, shouldn't it be the other way around? I mean: the sixties tv series are much closer to the original Batman-concept (in the comics) than the later movies are. The costume is authentic (purple-blue/grey/yellow), the car, Robin's dress (hehe), the Joker, the Riddler and so on. The later movies raped the original Batman-concept and setting in very much the same way as FOBOS will most probably be raping the original Fallout setting. Funny most people have no problem whatsoever with Batman's postmodern black latex sm suit or that cocooning car (you know, with them shields and stuff)? Is that because turning Batman (who was indeed as gay as a daisy in the original tv series) into a dark and neurotic crusader was a good thing to do? Pf! Lame. Leather thongs look good on women as well, but that doesn't mean that the prostitutes in a future Fallout title should be wearing them. In short: I hate the modern version of Batman even more than I hate that totally laughable sissy that goes "Kapow!" and "Crack!" in every goddamn episode. Voilà! Simply put: Batman is a joke. And since he's a modern symbol of the American dream, the American dream must be a joke as well.
The best movie about a superhero is - imo - Spiderman. Except for the bit about the spider, the story stayed pretty close to the original story which appeared in the comics.
I stick to my choice, though: Wolverine. He's the man. And he's Canadian. Canadians are alright. Except female Canadians, of course. Female Canadians are ugly as the night. That's a known fact.
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The original Batman in comics was a serious character. He only became a comical figure later on, and the TV series adapted that figure, not the more serious detective attitude of his earlier days.
And the "postmodern black latex sm suit" is an acceptable compromise as it's placed into another medium. The original wore somewhat regular cloth, but said cloth had some protections as well. Instead of creating some sort of special lining - which would not really help define the character in a visual sense - they built an armor-like costume. And honestly, changing a uniform is not as bad to the overal concept of the character as making it a laughing stock by use of mediocre stories and TV shows that deface the attitude of the character (and the attitude is frankly more important than whatever suit he's wearing).
And the "postmodern black latex sm suit" is an acceptable compromise as it's placed into another medium. The original wore somewhat regular cloth, but said cloth had some protections as well. Instead of creating some sort of special lining - which would not really help define the character in a visual sense - they built an armor-like costume. And honestly, changing a uniform is not as bad to the overal concept of the character as making it a laughing stock by use of mediocre stories and TV shows that deface the attitude of the character (and the attitude is frankly more important than whatever suit he's wearing).
requiem_for_a_starfury
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The costumes might be closer than the movies but the rest of the show was nothing like the original comics. The dark theme of the first two Batman movies are far more accurate.Blade Runner said:
The later movies were an extension of the TV series, how can you not watch them and see the influence of the show? Until the Sixties, Batman was a Dark Neurotic avenger (well as dark and neurotic as the mores of the era would allow), then he lightened up. Whether that was an influence of the show or just of the times I don't know. Then in the 70's he started to get Darker and more troubled again right up to the first two films (I stopped reading the comics around 91 so I don't know what direction he went after that.)Blade Runner said:
Have you ever read any of the Batman comics? Rather than just watched the TV show, Films or the cartoons? Though the animated series and Batman of the Future capture the spirit of the comics, they're no substitute for stuff like Batman Year One, or The Dark Knight Returns.Blade Runner said:
Not seen Spiderman so I can't comment, but I don't think they've ever really managed to transfer comic book superheros to the big screen very well. Original Superheros invented exclusively for a movie work a lot better.Blade Runner said:
Some of the most beautiful women in the world come from Canada, but it's alright that you're attracted to Canadian men, it's nothing to be ashamed of.Blade Runner said:
geekpocket
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Blade, they changed other things in Spiderman besides the spider bite scene. Spiderman in the comics doesnt have spider webspinners in his forearms. The web is a chemical compound he developed and produced.
Also, Mary Jane Watson wasn't the one who was dropped off the brooklyn bridge by the green goblin. It was a blond girl name Gewn Stacey. Peter had been trying to go out with Gewn for a long time, but she kept turning him down. While Peter was trying to get with Gewn, Mary Jane was trying to catch Peter's eye, but he was blindly ignoring Mary Jane cus he was focused on Gwen. When Gewn fell from the bridge, she died. Now Peter doesnt have the woman he wanted, cus she's dead. After that he realizes Mary Jane wanted to be with him, but by the time he figures that out, she has moved on to someone else. It always sucked to be Peter Parker back in the original days of Spiderman. Stan Lee was ruthless!
I'm pretty sure that's how the storyline went; if someone can verify that or tell me i'm full of shit, that'd be great. havent read it in a while.
also, if anyone is interested, i know why J Jonah Jameson doesn't like Spiderman....yes i did spend too much time reading comics as a kid.
edit: remembered Gwen Staceys name
Also, Mary Jane Watson wasn't the one who was dropped off the brooklyn bridge by the green goblin. It was a blond girl name Gewn Stacey. Peter had been trying to go out with Gewn for a long time, but she kept turning him down. While Peter was trying to get with Gewn, Mary Jane was trying to catch Peter's eye, but he was blindly ignoring Mary Jane cus he was focused on Gwen. When Gewn fell from the bridge, she died. Now Peter doesnt have the woman he wanted, cus she's dead. After that he realizes Mary Jane wanted to be with him, but by the time he figures that out, she has moved on to someone else. It always sucked to be Peter Parker back in the original days of Spiderman. Stan Lee was ruthless!
I'm pretty sure that's how the storyline went; if someone can verify that or tell me i'm full of shit, that'd be great. havent read it in a while.
also, if anyone is interested, i know why J Jonah Jameson doesn't like Spiderman....yes i did spend too much time reading comics as a kid.
edit: remembered Gwen Staceys name
geekpocket
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After rereading your post BladeRunner I thought of another thing. I don't think Batman is a modern symbol of the American Dream. Batman represents a lot of things; vengeance, retribution, power over ones self, but i dont think these characteristics make up the american dream. if i had to pick a superhero that was a symbol, i think superman would be better. He's the original boy scout superhero, fighting for truth, justice, mom and apple pie. He works hard as a journalist, being truthful and exposing corruption. He fights crime, protecting those that cant protect themselves, and in his spare time he saves the world every now and then.
Since you like Wolverine so much, what's your favorite costume/personaliy/team for him? I liked him as Patch, going up against the thugs of Madripoor. Didnt have that great a costume though. His brown costume from his early days with the X-Men was the best, i think. Wolverine is one of my favorites as well. One of the best issues is when he's with the x-men in the Hellfire Club. He gets dropped through a few floors down to the sewer. The rest of the issue shows the team getting taken out. In the last few panels it shows Wolverine getting up out of the sewer, ready to take on the Hellfire Club by himself. awesome.
Since you like Wolverine so much, what's your favorite costume/personaliy/team for him? I liked him as Patch, going up against the thugs of Madripoor. Didnt have that great a costume though. His brown costume from his early days with the X-Men was the best, i think. Wolverine is one of my favorites as well. One of the best issues is when he's with the x-men in the Hellfire Club. He gets dropped through a few floors down to the sewer. The rest of the issue shows the team getting taken out. In the last few panels it shows Wolverine getting up out of the sewer, ready to take on the Hellfire Club by himself. awesome.
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geekpocket said:
Exactly. Thats even one of the reasons why Batman and Supes fight it out in The Dark Knight Returns.
geekpocket said:
You're damn right his brown costume from the early days was the best. All the original X-Men outfits were cool. The new costumes suck.
As for Batman: I really don't give a rat's ass if he was tough in the comics and a nutcase on the screen or whatever. The fact remains that the guy is gay.
It's been far too long to remember what X-Men story I like best. I stopped buying the comics in 1999 and haven't reread any issues. I do have the complete series from Juniorpress (Dutch translations) from number 1 to 195. I doubt I will ever reread them, actually. I stopped being interested in superheroes and stuff when I discovered the (autobiographical) comics of Chester Brown, Seth, Joe Matt and so on. They're a lot better, trust me. I'm getting too old for rays of superheated plasma and shape shifting femme fatales.