Cimmerian Nights said:
Pats are 3pt underdogs for tomorrow's game.
I wouldn't really lump them in with the dynasties of the past. Sure they win a lot, but they never blow teams out by any means. And when they lose, they lose UGLY (KC, SD, Denver, Indy,).
Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego Chargers, Denver Broncos, Indianapolis Colts? That's some of the best teams out there, mang, it's no shame to lose ugly to them
el Prez said:
Winning 3 super bowls in the last 4 years is as close to a dynasty as anyone is going to get. And sure the press might have them as 3pt underdogs but the fact of the matter is, SINCE they have won 3 superbowls recently, No one would be REALLY suprised if they won it again this year.
True. In fact, I think the bigger surprise this year was the bad season they started with, not the fact that they made it into the playoff and are one of the superbowl likelies.
I do think they recovered, though, but so have the Steelers. It's an interesting match, as any playoff match should be (not like the Carolina - NY Giants match)
Tayl said:
I don't understand why everyone hates the Pats so much.
Because everyone else likes them so much.
Just like those damned Colts.
Tayl said:
Anyways, I agree that the Pats will take it. Although if it comes down to Elam vs Vinatieri, I would chose Vinatieri in a heartbeat. That guy is Mr. Clutch. It always comes through, no matter what. Elam is good but Vinatieri is one of the best.
No, Vinatieri WAS Mr Clutch. I don't know what happened to him this season, but he went from the 1st-ranked place kicker to number...guess what...number *24*. That's nothing to sneeze at. He's below such place kickers as Rackers (f'ing duh), but also below Vanderjagt (Colts), Reed (Steelers), Brown (Sea) AND Elam (Broncos, number 8)...Elam has scored 115 points vs. Vinatieri's 100.
Yeah, he was great in the past, but don't blind yourself on that. He's had a lousy season and has shown little sign of improvement.
Tayl said:
I'm pretty sure Grossman is starting in Orton's place.
True, missed that.
Tayl said:
I can't seem to find a definitive link to show this but I remember hearing it on the news a few days ago. Grossman is much better than Orton. I think with at least the threat of Grossman going deep it will open the run game for Jones. That's a big factor. With Orton in you don't get that. I think the Bears will squeek by.
They *might*, with Grossman, but he's still no Delhomme and he's missed too many matches to have the steadiness needed in a playoff q'back.
But like I said; Delhomme hasn't been playing at the top of his game and might be outplayed by ANY opossing quarterback from Kitna upwards (heh).
It's all about defense, baby, in which case we've got Carolina's 4th-ranked rush defence 9th-ranked passing defence 3rd-ranked overall against Chicago's 11-th ranked rush defence 5th-ranked pass defence 2rd-ranked overall. Looks pretty good for the Bears, but playing on defence is bad, hence my prediction they'd get by barely. 3 points man, that's just a field goal. Bad victory. Bad.