System Of A down

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Kahgan, Nov 27, 2005.

  1. Kahgan

    Kahgan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 25, 2003
    :rofl:

    obviusly, you don't know what you're talking about. period.
    I have a metallica fan sitting right next to me calling you a shithead, hurrah :freak:


    I personally like the Black Album more than any of the others, it kind of represents the time when the youth "bullies" grew up to be "men" (huzzah) and James no longer ran through the songs as if he had an extremely tight nit schedual...Also because it's the Album I heard first.
     
  2. Volkov

    Volkov Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jul 30, 2004
    I don't know if I can go back to buying In Flames. I loved it, and it hurt me so bad :(

    And yeah, new Metallica is awful. Then again, I don't really listen to much Metallica anyway, I prefer Testament.
     
  3. inane

    inane First time out of the vault

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    Aug 28, 2005
  4. Hellion

    Hellion Antediluvian Lurker

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    Jun 20, 2003
    Regarding Metallica, I too believe that St. Wanker may be better than the travesty that was Load/Re-Load, but is still an abomination of god when compared to the Thrash Metal masterpieces that are their albums up to and including "Justice". Even the playlists of their most recent concerts include only TWO tracks from St. Anus and the rest is the good-old stuff, which says quite a lot.

    Watching the DVD "Live Shit" and the concert from the "Justice" tour really brought a tear to my eye, thinking what they were and what they later became...

    Adrenaline starts to flow,
    You're thrashing all around,
    Acting like a maniac,
    Whiplash!!
     
  5. Bloodlust

    Bloodlust Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Mar 19, 2005
    Yeah,Metallica are pathetic these days.
    Especially if you watch the some kind of monstahrzz dvd you get the feeling that this band is dead or at least brain-dead :)

    I don't expect any more good material from metallica.I'll just stick to listening to Kill Em All and ...And Justice For All.
    Damnation and curses on the Black album.That opened the door of mainstream and popularity for Metallica and that was the begining of the end.Oh and poor old Cliff getting under that bus.
     
  6. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Jul 5, 2003
    So why do you have a post-Black Album Hetfield in your avatar?
    Also, shut up and go see one of their recent concerts. They're playing Battery much faster than they've ever done. Hell, the 2003 concert for Rock in Rio ended with Whiplash. Pathetic my ass.
     
  7. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Dedman oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005


    Im so tired of hearing people bitch about Metallica selling out. You are so fucking lame. You say Metallica's BLACK album sucks and thats when they started to go downhill? I guess you would rather the band sound old and outdated like Kiss and Aerosmith. Playing the same fucking songs for 30 years gets old. They changed with the times man. :seriouslyno:
     
  8. Volkov

    Volkov Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jul 30, 2004
    All bands have to change their style in some way eventually, and that can be a good thing and a bad thing. In the end it comes down to opinion. Some people don't like new Metallica because they made their music more accesible to a wider and more mainstream audience. Their sound changed, and older fans didn't like this. Conversely, the change in style appealed to people it hadn't before, and they gained new fans.

    I think people get a little to over-excited about this sort of thing. If a band I like starts to suck I just start listening to something else. It's not like Metallica changed to insult you personally.

    Don't give up hope. Everyone thought Megadeth had "lost it" after Risk and Cryptic Writings, but The System Has Failed (their latest) is among their best work. There is always hope for redemption.
    :D
     
  9. Roshambo

    Roshambo Antediluvian as Feck

    Apr 3, 2003
    Really, Metallica has long since become "Angry Gimp On Drums with A Spineless Redneck Covering Drinking Songs", sound-bited and compromised by the trendy pop label mentality. The only way they could cope with what most consider to be the leaving of a good portion of their talent (Megadeth, McGovney, coke, weed, beer), and with Lars suddenly deciding he's the only one to have any decisions, was to sell out - which fit into Lars' plans nicely.

    The drums are up way too much, and frankly since Metallica has become a cover band - they should now be touring high schools and retirement centers. Their music sounded better, and was at least original, when Lars was stoned enough to focus on his playing instead of whining, and when James was drunk enough to have some balls of his own. Now instead of the great music they once had, they are covering drinking songs. There is a difference between changing styles, and selling out to sound like shit. The Beatles changed with the decades - Metallica stayed the same for quite a while and stood for something for longer than many here have been alive Then they changed their formula into really unimaginative and frankly, lame-sounding ways, going back on pretty much everything they promoted and played in the past.

    The Beatles didn't flip genres to try and "re-invent their sound", because they didn't have it - it was called "talent", which Metallica does not have anymore, especially, you know, when they cover drinking songs.

    Metallica are generally regarded as has-beens, as the number of good songs on their albums lately are outnumbered by the formulaic shit that makes Black look brilliant (which it was in some ways, but Load was inescusable, Re-Load was just sell-out garbage). Oh, yeah, I see no reason why the majority of fans shouldn't be upset with THAT!

    Kings of rock, my ass. That still belongs to the Ozzman, the Dark Prince. :D

    Back to the topic, I am surprised nobody has mentioned Buckethead. From what I understand and hear, the lead singer of System of a Down is also the lead vocals in Buckethead.

    This video is twisted, but quite amusing. :D
     
  10. Bloodlust

    Bloodlust Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Mar 19, 2005
    Yes,that Osbournes reallity show is teh Ro><0rz!!!
    Ozzy is parody these days but at least he still does well on stage.Saw him (with black sabbath ) last summer and was holding pretty good.

    Prince of Darkness,my ass :twisted:
     
  11. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Jul 5, 2003
    Not to mention a bus-ride...
    Really, though, saying McGovney and Mustaine were 'a good portion of their talent' isn't quite right, especially when considering that what is considered the best of their work was made several years after they had left. While Kill 'Em All was good, it was rather different from Master, Lightning and Justice. Megadeth more or less continued along the line of Kill 'Em All, so Mustaine can claim some of the credit for that, but the great songs off of the later albums are, for the most part, not his doing. Let alone McGovney's.

    I'll have to say again: go listen to some live concerts of them in recent (sober-Hetfield) years. They are really playing their oldies really well. Almost nothing from Load and Re-Load comes around.

    And I don't really get your problem with the covering of songs. Metallica has always covered songs, this has little to do with their 'selling-out', that always was one of their schticks.
     
  12. Roshambo

    Roshambo Antediluvian as Feck

    Apr 3, 2003
    I know, but it was mostly in jest because they did part ways before much of Metallica's other work. So therefore I had to credit many other things for keeping them sounding so well until they got sober and stupid. Besides, both of those folks I mentioned are nowhere as near as fuckheaded as Hetfield and Ulrich are when sober. :D

    That's nice, but I have seen them in the 80's through the 90's. Until they make something new worth listening to, as obvious by how really no concert-goers want to hear the shittier work, only then I will consider it worth to go see them for some other purpose than to see the others playing with them. Even other "legendary" groups have come up with new material that fans want to listen to. For Metallica, they are like the old group at your high school Senior Prom, whom only had a one-hit wonder as their listenable track, but keep trying to throw their "uber-kool new stuff" out. In Metallica's case, it will just be "play the old stuff!"

    Really, is Metallica planning on releasing more shit, only to keep playing the same old songs at concerts? I could play most of their riffs, even on a lute, without having to see Lars' moronic face again; so I really don't see why I should hold Metallica in any respect if they can only replay their old shit as the fans would boo them off stage, and their new albums sound like ass. Something about that just doesn't quite add up, and again it goes back to Lars being sober and mistakenly having something to do with managing the group.

    Yeah, but there's a difference between a cover, and taking it and making it a record's focus, and then sucking miserably at it with almost no otherwise listenable songs on the album.
     
  13. inane

    inane First time out of the vault

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    Aug 28, 2005
    There's nothing that oils the wheels of creativity like some form of alien chemical or natural excession from drugs, poisons or disease distorting perception and/or thought processes.
    Examples:

    BENVENUTO CELLINI- many illnesses and subsequently chemicals were used to help "cure" him.

    EDVARD MUNCH- self-explanatory

    VINCENT VAN GOGH- absinthe

    LOUIS HECTOR BERLIOZ- opium

    MICHELANGELO BUONARROTI- gout

    THE BEATLES... hehe

    etc etc etc...

    It's true, Metallica was more creative when they were not sober.
     
  14. Tannhauser

    Tannhauser Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Orderite

    Mar 18, 2004
    How can you neglect Samuel Taylor Coleridge? For shame.
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    And, of course:

    Socrates - Hemlock
     
  15. inane

    inane First time out of the vault

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    Aug 28, 2005
    I could honestly name every artist/musician who ever lived... have to choose examples, ya know? hehe
     
  16. John Uskglass

    John Uskglass Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Aug 29, 2003
    Numetal is trite shit, so System of a Down would be a member of the trite shit subgenre of Rock.
     
  17. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Jul 5, 2003
    True enough. Although Metallica has quite a bit of talent (Hetfield is a great rythm guitarist, and Ulrich can be a good drummer, and their new bassist is, although a bit out of place perhaps, really good), they failed to show this with recent albums. St. Anger was reasonable, really, but nowhere near their old works, and the snare botched it.

    I'm actually expecting their next album to be a lot better, mainly because St. Anger was a big step forward from Load and ReLoad. A lot more metal too. So hopefully they can make another step forward with the next. Getting Bob Rock out may help as well.

    True enough, especially if the cover isn't even really good.
     
  18. Melanthius

    Melanthius First time out of the vault

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    Sep 18, 2005
    Maybe it's just the aged hessian in me, but I prefer cling to the falacy that Metallica split up after Cliff died. I did see them in Holland back in '99, and as most have said, their set was largely older material; songs Cliff himself composed.

    As far as SoaD is concerned my opinion is this: I see them in the same light as I see the Red Hot Chille Peppers: very talented, very creative, very artistic, and I very much couldn't give a fuck. Just doesn't appeal to me. It's a personal preference.

    Is SoaD Nu-Metal? Nope, more like Un-Metal, just my opinion. To their credit, though, I have yet to hear one of their regular radio rotation songs lament about how much a girl hurt them or how upset they were when mommy grounded their priviliged, wealthy asses in highschool and it "just wasn't fair".

    Seriously, modern metal music has become so pathetic that I find myself, reluctantly, wishing for the days when everyone was pathetically "singing for satan".

    EDIT: Holy shit! I offer my most humblest of appoligies; this topic was on the front page of this forum and I did not realize, at first, that the last post on this thread was almost one month old. Once again, sorry for the accidental grave-diggin', totally my fault.
     
  19. Montez

    Montez So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Jun 20, 2003
    Don't worry about it, it was on the front page and you contributed to the discussion. The only time gravedigging really bothers people is when someone bumps a really old thread just to say "lol!" or something meaningless like that.
     
  20. Lethe

    Lethe First time out of the vault

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    Dec 21, 2005
    IMO soad are nu-metal, and they're great (especially the self titled album)