Talking Heads

[Continuum]

I'm taking it seriously. But obviously you're not.

You're talking about some branding. I can't read in your mind what branding do you mean. Define it. Show image. Paint. Whatever. I'm not going to post 100 different looking images with hope that one of them will fit into branding you're thinking about. And no, I'm not going to put any "eye" thingy in the center of his skull (cyclops anyone?). Once again:

Where is the branding?

Have you read earlier posts?

Also out of The Vault:

Members of the Slaver's Guild have a distinctive tattoo covering most of their face, making them readily identifiable to both friend and foe, allowing the Guild to make fast judgments when someone without "the tat" has a tribal up on the auction block for sale.

Anyway, tattoo isn't a problem, I can also "burn" something, you know, when you mark cattle's ass:

*image*

Of course, it's just to show what I mean. Such thing would need more work. All I need is a b&w image. Although I'd like to avoid covering most of the face Also, I'm not sure about placing it centrally...

Now, who is not treating it seriously by not reading what is written twice?

You're talking about Mike Tyson tattoo. Have you read what Lexx quoted? All members got this shit. Also, as I said I'm not going to cover half of his face with tattoos, so I made a small one. If someone will came with something better, no problem, I'll change this.

You're talking about eye. How eye in your Metzger is looking? Is white, ALL white. I went into more or less similar route - now is wrong. Also, as I said it's a dead "eye", no animations there, like blink/whatever, in opposite to your Metzger. Who knows what he has there now... Even his right eyebrow is not changing - look closely at three images in one I posted earlier. In other words - this area is pretty badly damaged.

 

[Dravean]

Your talking head is turning out great, Continuum.

However, I agree that the tattoo should be more prominent. In game it's stated that the slaver tattoo goes on the forehead, and according to the Fallout Vault wiki, it takes up most of the face.

So I'd say your current tattoo is much too subtle. However, I also agree that it shouldn't be an eyeball, since, as others have pointed out, that's a sign of wisdom.

Perhaps something like a stylized S, for Slaver?

Another thing to keep in mind is that he's probably been a slaver for a long time, so it'd most likely be a bit faded by now, unless he gets it touched up every once in awhile.

 

[Mr.Wolna]

contie please do not forget that my englisch is not very good. when i did something miss udnerstand, sorry.

and no pelase not an eye on the forehead. ^^

i will give some examples later, for some stylish one.

btw. whatever the vault says i think a BIG tatto/branding would looks really gay and destroy all the feeling.

 

[.Pixote.]

Could you do a little test, and render him without an eye, with just a horrible hole (empty eye socket) where his eye used to be. The color would be similar to that of the internal mouth (reddish). I think the result could be quite powerful.

Warning slightly graphic.

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[Mr.Wolna]

Ok i made some thoughts about the forehead of our scarface.

First i though simple. We need a symbol that symbolic slaves. So what is near as chains?

Other thinking of me was that people around are scared of them , the slavers bring dead and pain. So what is near as a symbol of Azrael the doom bringer?

Then i thing and this irony is really what i like, a symbol for freedom XD (they jeer about her victims, i thing that fits really good to the sadistic art of Metzger^^)

So i will be gay to have some chains or a pigeon on the forehead. Why not connect them. An AGAINST the freedom sign?

A pigeon/eagle (American symbol for freedom (AND STRAIGHT) as i know) with chains or and that my favorite idea a pigeon/eagle pierced (from top) with a sword.

I do not know how it will looks as branding, but i think it some nice ideas, cause the symbol must have a history and a sence.


And yes it should be round and on the forehead NOT on the hole face -.- whatever BIS says (they had not only good ideas. (like speaking deathclaws^^)


Here some other more or less stylish symbols:
(only for inspiriting)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8979/symbol.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8979/symbol.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7181/breakchainsofoppression.gif

that's funny^^
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2175/mka0100l.jpg


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http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2395/starofchaos1rk.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/517/120pxironwarriorssymbol.jpg

Personally i'd like this twos (first more).

the chaos star will be looks awesome as a branding. with a pigeon pierced by a sword. ..or chain, or a death angel symbol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_of_Chaos

 

[Buxbaum666]

 

[Mr.Wolna]

yeah also though about it, but do not like.

maybe something like this, but with much more datail and accurate?

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6712/metzsymb.png

(do not take serious^^ is just for see the idea, i made this in 1 min.)

hm, i cannot get my eyes out of this, i love it:


http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2395/starofchaos1rk.jpg

i would say, we need some one who can good painting to complete this ideas and make a sick symbol for the slaver guild.

 

[Buxbaum666]

yeah also though about it, but do not like.

I like the idea. Or just a smiley? Randall Flagg style.

maybe something like this, but with much more datail and accurate?

You have to keep in mind that this is the post-nuclear waste land we are talking about. The slavers are quite likely to suffer from a lack of equipment and skill to make a detailled tattoo or branding or whatever. So a rather simple symbol makes more sense, I guess.

hm, i cannot get my eyes out of this, i love it:


http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2395/starofchaos1rk.jpg

I don't know. Looks too Warhammer-ish.

 

[Continuum]

Maybe some of the art guys here should follow in his stead and make some good new heads.

Rule number 1: Don't bother yourself with stuff which won't be visible in camera

Some sort of behind the scenes, for the fun, whatever type of image, I guess... Mr. Whip could make a great career as a model, I think...

However, I agree that the tattoo should be more prominent. In game it's stated that the slaver tattoo goes on the forehead, and according to the Fallout Vault wiki, it takes up most of the face.

I'll expand tattoos at the side of the skull. The head will be "moving", so they're going to be visible.

Another thing to keep in mind is that he's probably been a slaver for a long time, so it'd most likely be a bit faded by now, unless he gets it touched up every once in awhile.

Noted.

Could you do a little test, and render him without an eye, with just a horrible hole (empty eye socket) where his eye used to be. The color would be similar to that of the internal mouth (reddish). I think the result could be quite powerful.

I can't. Vertices aren't welded/collapsed/whatever where the "eye socket" is - there's a hole. I don't want to mess with mesh since I'm animating him right now.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2395/starofchaos1rk.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/517/120pxironwarriorssymbol.jpg

Personally i'd like this twos (first more).

the chaos star will be looks awesome as a branding. with a pigeon pierced by a sword. ..or chain, or a death angel symbol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_of_Chaos

Keep in mind that in-game size of the head is really small. Adding some detailed signs will make only mess, since you won't be able to see what is there, if we want to keep it relative small. Also, I agree with Buxbaum666 about post-apoc world/whatever.

Symbol must be simple. Something like this for example:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8979/symbol.jpg

Simple b&w shape, without any details (like skulls, or chains).

 

[Glovz]

@Conti

I really like what you've done so far and if the third pic in the images above are an indication of going with Leather Armour then perfect!

As for tattoos, if you are familiar with Dragon Age Origins then there might be something there to help inspire. But I do like what you have done already.

 

[Kahgan]

That shit is awesome continuum! you are the fallout 3d modeling master.
how about a simple s-rune for slaver?

 

[Lexx]

Yeah, what about a swastika.


(Mind: This was just a joke.)

 

[Bableves]

What about something like this?

(Sorry for the shoddy image, it's only for representation.) The snake foreshows the nature of the slavers and the shape also represents them.

 

[SharkClub]

That shit is awesome continuum! you are the fallout 3d modeling master.
how about a simple s-rune for slaver?

I'm sure the German Fallout community would be delighted...

Oh wait...

 

[fortyseven]

That shit is awesome continuum! you are the fallout 3d modeling master.
how about a simple s-rune for slaver?

I'm sure the German Fallout community would be delighted...

Oh wait...

Well a single S-rune wouldn't be like using a nazi symbol directly. Also, considering that the Slaver's Guild is an entirely faschist organisation the allusion wouldn't be so out of place. After all, there is little nuance with these people in the game. They are evil de-humanising bastards and not much else. And I'm half German btw.

 

[SharkClub]

I am also part German, but I'm not for the whole "You want to be a Slaver? Get this tattooed on your head" if it's going to be half a Schutzstaffel symbol (and although it probably looks like I am angry about this I'm not actually that bothered). Surely there is something more creative to put on his head other than "S for Slaver".

 

[smilodom]

I am german too and it don´t bother me, but it doesn´t fit to fallout yet it reminds me on the Nazi turtles but this was in another thread....

 

[Hotel California]

Some sort of behind the scenes, for the fun, whatever type of image, I guess... Mr. Whip could make a great career as a model, I think...

Wow, I am totally loving this Contiee! Totally amazing and from those few animations he has an awesome expressive range!

Loving the PA too! I'm assuming you'd be able to merge it with current talking heads for the armour patch thingymabob!

Keep up the good work and don't let anyone goad you into rubbishing brilliant work!

The white eye, the tatoo, the scar, the rings and the facial expressions are all great! I wouldn't change a thing! Its all subtle enough to not distract the player but looks badass in a way that only a mean mothertrucking slaver boss could!

 

[Continuum]

I really like what you've done so far and if the third pic in the images above are an indication of going with Leather Armour then perfect!

Yes. Leather Armour.

it reminds me on the Nazi turtles but this was in another thread.....

 

[Jesterka]

Yeah, swastika would be the best. For the 'I am the biggest idiot ever' charity competition.

Hey, Contie, that Metzger (is the supposed to be a Metzgers' dull head in FO2's RP, right? ain't reading this thread) is kind of childish and not-too-respecatble in such a colossal but great armor (for heavy gunners). Childie with fuckin' swastika! How very Hitlerjugend!

But it's still a decent work for your first shot, indeed. Looking forward to cooperate on a couple of BGE's heads in cca 2015.