Team Xbox Fallout 3 preview

[Brother None]

Team Xbox did a preview of Fallout 3 that literally has absolutely nothing new to add. This is the only statement of interest:<blockquote>Amazingly, a lot of diehard Fallout fans worried about the prospect of Bethesda turning their beloved franchise into “Oblivion with guns” (which, in this editor’s opinion, isn’t exactly a bad thing). After a recent trip to the studio for our first eyes-on of the game, we’re happy to report that it looks like Fallout 3 will have something for everyone. Old school Fallout fans will be impressed by the incredibly immersive world and quasi-turn-based gameplay, while news fans will be blown away by, well, everything.</blockquote>Link: preview on Team Xbox.

Thanks Nology5890.

 

[Stag]

I'm a fan of the news, what great stories await me? Tomorrow's always a day away, I suppose.

 

[Brother None]

They're overdoing it. Hype I get, but jeesh guys, if you have nothing new to say, don't friggin' say anything.

The description of VATS in this one is pretty clear, unlike some others. Was it known before that you could determine the sequences of actions as you would before unpausing?

 

[Stag]

Hmm...Well, if this is KoTOR-like, and done well, I don't think I'm very upset...I liked KoTOR's combat, (I think because I utilized the "pause" function an assload more than most people...).

True TB would be best, but I don't think I really expect Beth to put it in the game, so this is a good second, I guess.

 

[Chertan]

Old school Fallout fans will be impressed by the incredibly immersive... yadda yadda

I'm getting so tired of reading about how I will like the game

I'm also tired reading about how Beth can do no wrong and how moronic the hardcore fans are for having an opinion

 

[Slicerdicer]

*snipe*
The description of VATS in this one is pretty clear, unlike some others. Was it known before that you could determine the sequences of actions as you would before unpausing?

I think so as in you could choose your targets and then let it happen in RT. So you pick a rat's arm to shoot first and than a mutie's head second. When you let RT go the PC shoots the rat then the mutie if he can (Based on skills and weapon). Why would it happen in a different order than you chose? I doubt you can change sequences of the opponents however. Can you change any NPC's sequences in VATS mode ie when to/who to shoot etc? I know you can hire folks to work/help you so will that be like in F2 where you generally determine it before hand? Shoot who I shoot, take stims when bleeding.

 

[Nology5890]

I would have brought something more news-worthy if I could have found it, I just figured I'd bring their article to attention, for a console gamer's perspective (albeit, all it was was a bit of hype).

 

[skyway]

while news fans will be blown away by, well, everything

No Team Xbox - you're lying - they won't be blown away by nuclear blasts!

Well a lots of hype, nothing new. "Old fallout fans, don't worry, The One and Only Great Bethesda will make you happy oh yes yes yes they will, just stop doing such anti-commercial to F3 by saying it sucks, please, Toddy begs you"

 

[lisac2k]

...we’re happy to report that it looks like Fallout 3 will have something for everyone.

Yep, that's how the money has been made.

Is it too much to ask them to change the name just a bit? Like "Fallout: The Age of Mutants" or something like that... Because this is not Fallout! (Yeah, I know, repeating it for the n-th time won't help, but I can't resist it, shoot me).

 

[SuAside]

I'm getting so tired of reading about how I will like the game

much like propaganda: repeat it enough times & it will become 'truth'.

 

[DirtyDreamDesigner]

So you pick a rat's arm to shoot first and than a mutie's head second. When you let RT go the PC shoots the rat then the mutie if he can (Based on skills and weapon).

I wonder what happens if the mutants has moved into cover in the meantime...

 

[lisac2k]

So you pick a rat's arm to shoot first and than a mutie's head second. When you let RT go the PC shoots the rat then the mutie if he can (Based on skills and weapon).

I wonder what happens if the mutants has moved into cover in the meantime...

Beth's voice from above: He can't. It's not his turn!

 

[Morbus]

So you pick a rat's arm to shoot first and than a mutie's head second. When you let RT go the PC shoots the rat then the mutie if he can (Based on skills and weapon).

I wonder what happens if the mutants has moved into cover in the meantime...

Beth's voice from above: He can't. It's not his turn!

Shut up! He really can't, but it's because he's too stupid for that. Biggie muties rn't going to duck and cover. day r teh aweshume!

 

[Smoke_Jaguar]

Damn, I'm getting real tired of hearing about turn based strategy in Fallout 3.

This is getting out of hand, so I will publicly urge anyone with good writing and credibility, either Sander, Tannhauser or Kharn, to write a little article about turn-based strategy and turn-based games, what it is and what it does.

I am really amazed how people consider strategy or turn based some damn system that let's you pause and aim, like a cheat in a very hard FPS.

Now I have to say that though I can't possibly agree with an all FPS Fallout (it's a shooter, it has guns, it's FP, go fuck yourself) but I can't expect to play it as a gay pause-and-aim type of shit, I see no use for skills that way, since I'm quite good at shooters, and I'd hate to let my hits be determined by numbers (and wouldn't see the point) when there is another alternative, and that is shooting enemies by "hand-to-eye" coordonation.

If it's TB, great, I'd really like that and would use skill based shots.

If it's a FPS, forget all the stats, I'm not going to be bothered by them.

 

[lisac2k]

If it's a FPS, forget all the stats, I'm not going to be bothered by them.

Exactly. And that's what the most people are going to do. What's the point of having any "turns" then? (I'll answer it, don't worry) Well, Beth can always justify itself, saying: "There you go, the hardcore fans wanted turns, we gave them the damn turns! We did our job outstanding, now buy the game and shut up!"

 

[Smoke_Jaguar]

What's the point of having any "turns" then? (I'll answer it, don't worry) Well, Beth can always justify itself, saying: "There you go, the hardcore fans wanted turns, we gave them the damn turns! We did our job outstanding, now buy the game and shut up!"

You trying to tell me Bobblethesda wouldn't know turn-based strategy if it dropped a mini nuke on them from behind while performing a strafing circle saying "lol yu pwnd" ? Heresy.

I'm an extremist of sorts, I don't like making comprimises. I really can't see me investing in agility as I can shoot mutants from 200 yards with a needler pistol yelling headshot. Plus, it seems in V.A.T.S you can't que moving, it's just targeting, and as you know, in a shooter if you don't run, jump and strafe, you're fucking dead, so why should you remain stationary AND waste char points when I can move anyway regarldess of AP ? I'll finally buff endurance (since I hate drinking out of toilets)

 

[lisac2k]

Plus, it seems in V.A.T.S you can't que moving, it's just targeting, and as you know, in a shooter if you don't run, jump and strafe, you're fucking dead, so why should you remain stationary AND waste char points when I can move anyway regarldess of AP ?

Actually, I think of it as of pausing the game and targeting enemies (spending APs) first, then unpausing and moving around, dodging bullets and car-differentials, while VATS take control of your view, targets and shoots.

I might be wrong though. Maybe Bartoneus might clarify this a bit more.

(since I hate drinking out of toilets)

I bet you do... However, it seems some people just love it and find it cool. Even in a fantasy world.

 

[Lexx]

You know the game Red Dead Revolver or GUN? There you can better aim and faster shoot in a kind of "special mode" or such a thing that will be activated by pressing a special button. I think, VATS is nearly the same, just with a pause modus and not slow motion.

Ah yes.. and if you are to bad for such a shooting thing, then you still have the fatman!

 

[Smoke_Jaguar]

Well slow motion is not only cool, but very functional if implemented right. Think FEAR, there were some parts of the game where the only way to advance through countless enemies was to engage slo mo mode.

Actually, I think of it as of pausing the game and targeting enemies (spending APs) first, then unpausing and moving around, dodging bullets and car-differentials, while VATS take control of your view, targets and shoots.

That doesn't seem right. It's hard to think that type of gameplay is feasible. Possible, but improbable. They might drop it or refurbish it altogather, though.

If I got it right, you pause, then point click (not aim, there no aim in that) and shoot the body part you want after you unpause, but you just stand there while the enemy shoots at you.

Regardless, lisac, V.A.T.S. is just a stupid gimmick feature with absolutely no use for any damn gaming experience.

And I guess this means the trait "Fast Shot" is out of the question, since it completely removed targeting ?

I bet you do... However, it seems some people just love it and find it cool. Even in a fantasy world.

I just said I hate it, not that I don't actually do it every now and then. I bet Toddie really takes "getting into character" way to serious and does it from a golden toilet the studio bought after releasing horse armor.

 

[lisac2k]

I just said I hate it, not that I don't actually do it every now and then.

Sorry, didn't mean to make it sound like that.

Regardless, lisac, V.A.T.S. is just a stupid gimmick feature with absolutely no use for any damn gaming experience.

Most probably, yes. But let's wait a while and see what it's all about exactly, otherwise we'll be labeled as an intolerant/ignorant bunch of assholes... Again.

Moreover, I see it as a PR weapon as something "new", "revolutionary" etc... Something to lure the masses to take their wllets out. What's the point of a new racing tire if it's useless on the track?