Smoke_Jaguar
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
lisac2k said:
To sell it in the States. There people actually go to races for the crashes.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the average american consumer.
Team Xbox Fallout 3 preview
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Look, Ma! Two Heads!
To sell it in the States. There people actually go to races for the crashes.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the average american consumer.
OK, let's see what Gavin Carter, Lead Producer has to say about the V.A.T.S. (taken from the In-depth Interview)
Meaning, we're returning to the point where this dialogue started - it's all about sticking their fingers in our pockets, selling us something we don't need (car salesmen, anyone?)
Now, I agree with Beth's PR - it is a new system, I haven't seen that in a game before. I doubt it's revolutionary, since probably most of the players will avoid using it and consider it annoyance (or how you put it "a stupid gimmick feature with absolutely no use for any damn gaming experience").Gavin Carter said:
Meaning, we're returning to the point where this dialogue started - it's all about sticking their fingers in our pockets, selling us something we don't need (car salesmen, anyone?)
yevinorion
First time out of the vault
I wouldn't say it's a completely new system, as the only thing new about it is the AP restrictions and specific aiming. KOTOR I and II both used a RTwP system where you could pause, queue up moves, and unpause to watch them get played out automatically based on your skills and stats. Also, I don't know if most players will avoid it. I, for one, will try to use it simply because of the aimed shots it allows. And even RTwP and queued shots beats RT shooting in my book, as I'm an RPG player...not an FPS player.
And it still doesn't seem 100% clear as to whether aiming in RT will allow you to actually aim (with your crosshairs) at the various body parts and get the same debilitating effects as this paused aiming. Only time will tell.
And it still doesn't seem 100% clear as to whether aiming in RT will allow you to actually aim (with your crosshairs) at the various body parts and get the same debilitating effects as this paused aiming. Only time will tell.
Smoke_Jaguar said:
Cut it out with these inane personal attacks. Sorrow, I'm looking at you too.
whirlingdervish
Brahmin Cavalry Commander
Hi guys, I'm new around here, and I figured I should introduce myself. I've checked in on the website quite a few times over the past years, but hadn't registered for the forums till now..
I'm an avid fallout 1 and 2 fan (didnt like fot much) and in case you're wondering, yes, I prefer isometric views and the ability to shoot children in the groin with a 9mm mauser pistol if I should want to. (in a RPG)
Like many of the rest of you, I've been waiting for a worthy successor to the fallout legacy for some time, and unless I'm gravely mistaken this travesty that they're calling FO3 is definitely not it. Action-RPG my butt!
anyway, I don't want to start ranting too hard in my first post on here so I'll get to the point:
As a classic FPS gamer, I think it would be a major step backward in gameplay for an FPS game of any sort to drop the ability to make headshots in real time. I love older FPS games like quake 2, but they are sadly lacking when it comes to the thrills of making a really great shot and snuffing someone with a slug in the eye.
There's nothing quite as lame as shooting an enemy in the foot only to watch them grab their face in a silly preset death animation and fall over.
on the other hand..
For an RPG with guns, the ability to run through it in real time without ever using an "aimed" shot pretty much negates the gameplay benefits of having stats. (and the purpose of having character skills and levels or the letters RPG in its description)
with that said, I really doubt that anyone at Bethesda realizes that their "innovative" combat system is going to completely make or break this game.
They seem to be of the opinion that if they stick in a bunch of fallouty looking content (AKA shit they ripped out of FO to try and make their game look something like it..) everyone will just eat up the "setting" and "atmosphere" and forget about the completely retarded gameplay.
This probably stems from their repeatedly proven inability to actually understand what the fans of the original game(s) loved about Fallout.
I'm an avid fallout 1 and 2 fan (didnt like fot much) and in case you're wondering, yes, I prefer isometric views and the ability to shoot children in the groin with a 9mm mauser pistol if I should want to. (in a RPG)
Like many of the rest of you, I've been waiting for a worthy successor to the fallout legacy for some time, and unless I'm gravely mistaken this travesty that they're calling FO3 is definitely not it. Action-RPG my butt!
anyway, I don't want to start ranting too hard in my first post on here so I'll get to the point:
yevinorion said:
As a classic FPS gamer, I think it would be a major step backward in gameplay for an FPS game of any sort to drop the ability to make headshots in real time. I love older FPS games like quake 2, but they are sadly lacking when it comes to the thrills of making a really great shot and snuffing someone with a slug in the eye.
There's nothing quite as lame as shooting an enemy in the foot only to watch them grab their face in a silly preset death animation and fall over.
on the other hand..
For an RPG with guns, the ability to run through it in real time without ever using an "aimed" shot pretty much negates the gameplay benefits of having stats. (and the purpose of having character skills and levels or the letters RPG in its description)
with that said, I really doubt that anyone at Bethesda realizes that their "innovative" combat system is going to completely make or break this game.
They seem to be of the opinion that if they stick in a bunch of fallouty looking content (AKA shit they ripped out of FO to try and make their game look something like it..) everyone will just eat up the "setting" and "atmosphere" and forget about the completely retarded gameplay.
This probably stems from their repeatedly proven inability to actually understand what the fans of the original game(s) loved about Fallout.
Ehm, actually, it works the same way all Bioware games work: it's classic real-time with pause. You pause the game, give orders and then the computer shows you the results.lisa said:
Yes, yes... Clarification: haven't seen the game using RTwP + assigning APs during the pause.Sander said:
Yep, about time to finish speculating about it. At least for me.yevinorion said:
The way i think VATS system will work.
You walk in FPS view, you see an enemy, you target the enemy and press VATS button. The screen will zoom in on targeted enemy and you can use the "aim shot". When you use the aim shot you will use some AP and do the action, but you will not get out of VATS system till you have 0 AP or you deactivate it.
Im not sure if you will be able to target different enemies in one VATS session.
You walk in FPS view, you see an enemy, you target the enemy and press VATS button. The screen will zoom in on targeted enemy and you can use the "aim shot". When you use the aim shot you will use some AP and do the action, but you will not get out of VATS system till you have 0 AP or you deactivate it.
Im not sure if you will be able to target different enemies in one VATS session.
Yes, you can target multiple enemies in one 'session'. The system works through queueing your actions.Futurity said:
yevinorion
First time out of the vault
Sander said:
Essentially just like the one in KOTOR (but with AP and targeting).
My real question is...what other actions can take place while in VATS? Can we access inventory? Use items (healing items, stat boosting drugs, etc)?
Basically, I'm hoping there's still a lot to this system that we don't know about yet. If what we know is the full extent of it, then I'll be severely disappointed.
Only if you happen to be standing next to a toilet.. hehe, just kidding :pyevinorion said:
Dont know the answer to that, i have read most articles / previews, and cannot remember having seen the VATS system presented in any detail. That said, i could naturally have missed it, if i have, im sure someone will correct me ASAPyevinorion said:
yevinorion
First time out of the vault
I haven't seen much detail on VATS either in all my preview reading. So my guess is, the basics that we know are all that is available to know.
I just hope, as I previously stated, that what we do know isn't all of it.
I just hope, as I previously stated, that what we do know isn't all of it.
lisac2k said:
Or maybe "The Elder Scrolls V : Fallout" .
Nology5890
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Perhaps, just to make all actions influence VATS in combat, if you move, access inventory, fire a gun, or use an item, AP should be used (or, maybe make accessing the inventory activate the VATS system, just to make time stop). And, I'm talking seriously about this. All of a sudden, I'm craving Fallout, and my computer refuses to play FO1 and 2. So, I'm effectively going insane.
That's some neat pure speculation, there. Hell, for as far as we know accessing your inventory in VATS doesn't even cost AP.Mori said:
Smoke_Jaguar
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Haha, yeah, they sure weren't talking about anything else.
What make you think Fallout will have inventory?
What make you think Fallout will have inventory?