teleportation

[welsh]

Beam me up, Scotty?

Yes, maybe, no. Well it depends on who you talk to.

OK- this question to the science geeks out there, what do you think of the science?

For everyone- what kinds of possibilities might this create for transportation and human civilization?

Teleportation: Express Lane Space Travel Leonard David
Senior Space Writer
SPACE.com
Fri Jul 8,12:06 PM ET

Think Star Trek: You are here. You want to go there. It's just a matter of teleportation.

Thanks to lab experiments, there is growth in the number of "beam me up" believers, but there is an equal amount of disbelief, too.

Over the last few years, however, researchers have successfully teleported beams of light across a laboratory bench. Also, the quantum state of a trapped calcium ion to another calcium ion has been teleported in a controlled way.

Great leaps of science begin with small baby steps.
(Pope Viper take note! And congrats again.)

These and other experiments all make for heady and heavy reading in scientific journals. The reports would have surely found a spot on Einstein's night table. For the most part, it's an exotic amalgam of things like quantum this and quantum that, wave function, qubits and polarization, as well as uncertainty principle, excited states and entanglement.

Seemingly, milking all this highbrow physics to flesh out point-to-point human teleportation is a long, long way off.

Well, maybe...maybe not.

A trillion trillion atoms

In his new book, Teleportation - The Impossible Leap, published by John Wiley & Sons, Inc., writer David Darling contends that ""One way or another, teleportation is going to play a major role in all our futures. It will be a fundamental process at the heart of quantum computers, which will themselves radically change the world."

Darling suggests that some form of classical teleportation and replication for inanimate objects also seems inevitable. But whether humans can make the leap, well, that remains to be seen.

Christians- can one teleport a soul?

Teleporting a person would require a machine that isolates, appraises, and keeps track of over a trillion trillion atoms that constitute the human body, then sends that data to another locale for reassembly--and hopefully without mussing up your physical and mental makeup.

Man, that PC better not crash when I being tracked!

"One thing is certain: if that impossible leap turns out to be merely difficult--a question of simply overcoming technical challenges--it will someday be accomplished," Darling predicts.

In this regard, Darling writes that the quantum computer "is the joker in the deck, the factor that changes the rules of what is and isn't possible."

Just last month, in fact, scientists at Hewlett Packard announced that they've hammered out a new tactic for a creating a quantum computer—using switches of light beams rather than today's run of the mill, transistor-laden devices. What's in the offing is hardware capable of making calculations billions of times faster than any silicon-based computer.

Given quantum computers and the networking of these devices, Darling senses the day may not be far off for routine teleportation of individual atoms and molecules. That would lead to teleportation of macromolecules and microbeswith, perhaps, human teleportation to follow.

What exactly is a quantum computer?

What could teleportation do for future space endeavors?

"We can see the first glimmerings of teleportation in space exploration today," said Darling, responding to questions sent via e-mail by SPACE.com to his home office near Dundee, Scotland.

"Strictly speaking, teleportation is about getting from A to B without passing through the points between A and B. In other words, something dematerializes in one place, then simply rematerializes somewhere else," Darling said.

Darling pointed out that the Spirit and Opportunity rovers had to get to Mars by conventional means. However, their mission and actions are controlled by commands sent from Earth.

"So by beaming up instructions, we effectively complete the configuration of the spacecraft. Also, the camera eyes and other equipment of the rovers serve as vicarious extensions of our own senses. So you might say the effect is as if we had personally teleported to the Martian surface," Darling said.

Oh cut the crap. This is more like TV than Star trek.
Or is there much difference?

Spooky action at a distance

In the future it might be possible to assemble spacecraft "on-the-spot" using local materials. "That would be a further step along the road to true teleportation," Darling added.

To take this idea to its logical endpoint, Darling continued, that's when nanotechnology enters the scene.

When nanotechnology is mature, an automated assembly unit could be sent to a destination. On arrival, it would build the required robot explorer from the molecular level up.

"Bona fide quantum teleportation, as applied to space travel, would mean sending a supply of entangled particles to the target world then use what Einstein called 'spooky action at a distance' to make these particles assume the exact state of another collection of entangled particles back on Earth," Darling speculated.

Doing so opens the prospect for genuinely teleporting a robot vehicle--or even an entire human crew--across interplanetary or, in the long run, across interstellar distances, Darling said.

"Certainly, if it becomes possible to teleport humans," Darling said, "you can envisage people hopping to the Moon or to other parts of the solar system, as quickly and as easily as we move data around the Internet today."

Perhaps this is cool for inanimate objects.

But if you need nano-technology in addition to the person, is it really that person?

UFO connection?

If indeed we are to become a space teleporting civilization, what about other advanced civilizations circling distant stars? Perhaps they have already mastered mass transportation via teleportation?

One might even be drawn to consider that mode of travel in connection with purported UFO visitation of Earth.

"Any strange comings and goings are candidates for teleportation, although you would obviously have to eliminate all mundane explanations first," Darling responded. "According to reports, some UFOs do appear and disappear quite abruptly, which would fit in with the basic idea of teleportation," he said.

So what we see as space-craft are really just localize short-range craft that have been teleported here across the galaxy.

Hmmmm....
Must check X-files records on this one.

Darling said that interstellar teleportation would be one way to circumvent the light barrier, "although, as we understand the process now, you would need to make a sub-light trip first to set up the teleportation receiver and assembler at the destination."

Quantum teleportation, Darling pointed out is the kind we can do at the subatomic level in the lab today. And that requires equipment at both ends to be able to work.

"Extraterrestrial intelligence that is thousands or millions of years ahead of us will certainly be teleportation experts," Darling advised, "if the technology can be implemented at the macroscopic biological level."

What possible outcome, then, from ET successfully tinkering with teleportation?

"We might expect advanced aliens to be occasionally beaming in to check on our progress as a species," Darling concluded.

Ok, but then there is the problem of anal probes.

 

[calculon000]

Heisenberg was driving his car down a highway and got pulled over my a highway patrol cop for speeding.

"Do you know how fast you were going?" Said the officer.
Heisenberg replied, "No, but I know where I am."

 

[MethidParadox]

I think they are going about teleportation all wrong...

You must first find out the fundemental properties of all atomic structures, once you understand how these work you can learn how to duplicate things at an atomic level... With this in mind you must understand all the properties of an atom...

What makes an atom, what forms an atom, what disciplines the actions of an atom, what summarizes the properties of an atom... Basically, what makes an electron an electron? What structures is within the spherical shape that the electron is? is it even a sphere are small triangles connected as a sphere with inner parts that give the body an electrical power?

With this knowledge we can then take electrons and make neutrons and protons by chaning their inner properties, with that ability we can then organize these 3 bodies into any princible... or piece of matter...

With that in mind we could take water and make it into steel just by re-working the properties of the electrons/protrons/neutrons

With that in mind the teleportation would not be a signal as in the means of destroying an atomic string of information, but it would merely be an analysis of that string....

You would gradually destroy the string, copy it, recreate it in it's current location, then you would take the recreation information and create it in another empty machine using fuel atoms (most likely any atom with the highest electron count) to re-create the string of energy. It would be something like

(_)
.....|
--------
.....|
..../ \
../ \


This is jimmy the stick figure wanting to be teleported... you would first cut down his energy strings and send them to an empty machine

-------------------------
...(_)
------------------------- <--- first string of atoms
.....|
--------
.....|
..../ \
../ \


This information would be cut, moved up 1 atom, replaced, then the next would be cut and placed in the empty space...

With this you wouldnt only be transporting Jimmy, but you would also transport the air, and anything else inside the teleportation device...

Also, when your finished you would then have 2 copies of Jimmy, the original copy would be in the sending device and the second copy would be in the recieving device...

This is how I would imagine teleportation to work

The main princible is in finding the structural properties of electrons/protons/neutrons... I believe that these are not the smallest structures in the universe and that there are at least 2 smaller structures that would make up these things... You would first have the solid structures that would make up the containing bodies of an electron/proton/neutron, you would then need the flowing elements that would be within the bodies that would then define these 3 structures...

 

[Wooz]

Something happened to Jimmy the Stick Mutant after the teleport.

 

[The Vault Dweller]

Something happened to Jimmy the Stick Mutant after the teleport.

Seriously I just dont understand how the atoms could be held in place as their re-arranged...they could end up with space between or spread randomly in the "teleport" area.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller

 

[MethidParadox]

Seriously I just dont understand how the atoms could be held in place as their re-arranged...they could end up with space between or spread randomly in the "teleport" area.

They dont really need to be held in place, that the bueaty of the situation... You would need a blank space or a shield... Lets say there is layers like this

-----------------------------------------------------------
Completely atom free space
-----------------------------------------------------------
Space Containing an atom blocking wall, no atoms can get through this barrier
-----------------------------------------------------------
Space containing all the contents need to be teleported








stuff here





-----------------------------------------------------------


so then the atoms laying against the barrier would be pulled and replaced in the empty space, the barrier would gradually moved down to provide space as space in the teleportation device is made....

So at the end of the teleportation the barrier will be at the bottom

 

[Xavierblazer]

Something happened to Jimmy the Stick Mutant after the teleport.

*Is reminded of The Fly*

 

[KillaKilla]

Another thinker:

What happens when you are "teleported"? Assuming you yourself are not moved, what happens to the origonal mass? Wouldn't this just be instant cloning?

 

[MethidParadox]

yes it would be instant cloning... and There is no way to tell what the mental states of the two copies would be like... Perhaps there is some universal law that joins them and the two minds think as one... not becuase they are literally connected but becuase of the way they process things happen to be so similiar that they are universally connected.... would be an interesting study indeed

 

[Max Demian]

As far as I remember from my Quantum mechanics class, the no-cloning theorem states that it's impossible to exactly copy a qubit, thus there can never exist two identical copies of any entities. To teleport (a photon) you need to “destroy” the one you started with, and you already need to have a recipient photon on the other side. What we’re talking here is teleporting quantum states, not matter itself. The information is exchanged over a classical channel! What this amounts too is that you can’t teleport things faster than the speed of light, coz information can’t travel any faster.

 

[calculon000]

You could open up a wormhole somehow and just step through without resorting to all this messy cloning business.

 

[alec]

You could open up a wormhole somehow and just step through without resorting to all this messy cloning business.

Or you could just build a transporter with some foam board and some poster paint!

Build your own friggin' transporter right now!

*human lifeform not included

 

[Max Demian]

You could open up a wormhole somehow and just step through without resorting to all this messy cloning business.

Then there's no point in bothering with teleportation in the first place, is there?

MethidParadox mentioned some sort of synthesis method to be used for teleportation, which although it may seem plausible to a lay person, really makes no sense at all in the real world. It's impossible to describe a quantum state in finite time, i.e. if you were teleporting from A to B it would take forever to describe a quantum state (which takes values in a continuous space), since it takes an infinite amount of classical information to describe a single qubit!
The fact that you're forced to send information over a noisy classical channel makes the method really vulnerable to both intrinsic and extrinsic factors. Not to mention that you need the EPR pairs made ready and distributed before even attempting to teleport.

 

[DirtyDreamDesigner]

Also, what happens to the original Jimmy?
Poor bastard...

 

[Ratty Sr.]

I don't like this teleportation business. It isn't really about getting me from point A to point B, but rather killing me at point A and creating a person identical to me at point B. I imagine the analytical chamber of the teleporter will be manned by a group of thugs who will scan the user and then butcher him with knives. Ouch.

 

[Lazarus Plus]

I don't like this teleportation business. It isn't really about getting me from point A to point B, but rather killing me at point A and creating a person identical to me at point B.

Exactly. Your conciousness, what makes you "you", is getting annihlated and recreated. This other person is exactly like you in every way but his experience is no longer your experience. You just killed yourself going through that transporter.

 

[aegis]

analog or digital?
if the input macine that recieves your atoms is analog and its resolution is infinite, then it might be possible. but only thing you'd have to know the exact location of every particale in order to create it again, hence you must digital resolution.

impossible by logic. same as making something out of nothing-just impossible by logic...maybe its possible not by logical thinking..but that's mystical, and sience dont deal with that.

 

[Max Demian]

aeigs wrote:

analog or digital?
if the input macine that recieves your atoms is analog and its resolution is infinite, then it might be possible. but only thing you'd have to know the exact location of every particale in order to create it again, hence you must digital resolution.

impossible by logic. same as making something out of nothing-just impossible by logic...maybe its possible not by logical thinking..but that's mystical, and sience dont deal with that.

LOL
Are you just playing dumb or is it that you really can't help being addle-brained? I don't even want to mention the stuff you wrote in that other thread regarding London blasts...
Not that I don't appretiate your contributions to this discussion, but do try to be more (ahem) reasonable in the future - for your own good