Television Show "Jericho" canceled, Fans Mobilize

Hey, I live in Estonia and I heard about Jericho when I saw the cancel note on NMA. I just watched the first episode on a website I've found and I think it's the best show there is. So plz do the best you can to save the show, I live in Estonia so can't too much to save it :(
 
Maphusio said:
Huh, I'm confused why some here stated that they disliked the show. I for one enjoyed it thoroughly especially since it is a very unique bit of TV programming.
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Compare it to Threads, War Game, The Day After, CD instructional films (not only Duck and Cover, but to gems like Occupying a Fallout Shelter) and you will know why. Personally, I stopped watching when:
  • They knew exact time fallout will arrive and could enter a mine seconds before it started to descent - what a stupidity, it's very hard to predict fallout pattern with exact measuring (many natives living on Pacific Ocean islands have their experience with nuclear bomb tests and unpredictable fallout patterns).
  • They survived in the mine without any ventilation and with air full of dust.
  • Radioactivity from fallout was prevented by applying duct tape on the windows (I always thought rad. rays are reduced by sheer mass and density of the material, but somehow, modern American science can use duct tape these days).
  • They had barbecue hours after fallout descent (which is always considered as the most dangerous time) and fallout was generally treated like water - it falls down and disappears (Bush-like physics).
  • They used oil (petrol) as if it wasn't scarce more than human life.
Maybe the show improved over the time but I doubt it...
 
Well the episode exactly after the one you are referring to changed all the things you mentioned...

Anyways I hope someone gets to continue this series, it was more than interesting :)
 
# They knew exact time fallout will arrive and could enter a mine seconds before it started to descent - what a stupidity, it's very hard to predict fallout pattern with exact measuring (many natives living on Pacific Ocean islands have their experience with nuclear bomb tests and unpredictable fallout patterns).
# They survived in the mine without any ventilation and with air full of dust.
# Radioactivity from fallout was prevented by applying duct tape on the windows (I always thought rad. rays are reduced by sheer mass and density of the material, but somehow, modern American science can use duct tape these days).
# They had barbecue hours after fallout descent (which is always considered as the most dangerous time) and fallout was generally treated like water - it falls down and disappears (Bush-like physics).
# They used oil (petrol) as if it wasn't scarce more than human life.
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1. They didn't know exactly when, they figured the most of the Fallout from Denver would come down with the storm that was coming from Denver, and they assumed the storm was coming in about 2 hours as it usually does, the rain falling down the second he closed the door to his cellar shelter, I will agree was a little cheesy.

2. STUPID, if you payed attention at all you will have heard him ask and be positively replied that the MINE HAD VENTILATION, and water. What makes you think the air was full of dust? Didn't look like they were kicking any up to me. (water was prob used to keep that from happening in the mine at all times anyway.

3. The rain wasn't radioactive, and the dectape and crap was just a precautionary measure, no one is actually dumb enough to think that will help that much, its just to help keep any from leaking through the windows.

4. That barbeque was safe because the rain was not tainted with radioactivity, maybe Denver was hit by a hydrogen bomb, and less radioactive, or the fallout and mostly settled before the storm picked it up.

5. Oil? whats makes you think that? They used gas and diesel for important purposes like running the hospital or cars for scouting out for news. Sure they maybe used some on the food, but thats better than letting it all spoil.
 
Goweigus said:
# They knew exact time fallout will arrive and could enter a mine seconds before it started to descent - what a stupidity, it's very hard to predict fallout pattern with exact measuring (many natives living on Pacific Ocean islands have their experience with nuclear bomb tests and unpredictable fallout patterns).
# They survived in the mine without any ventilation and with air full of dust.
# Radioactivity from fallout was prevented by applying duct tape on the windows (I always thought rad. rays are reduced by sheer mass and density of the material, but somehow, modern American science can use duct tape these days).
# They had barbecue hours after fallout descent (which is always considered as the most dangerous time) and fallout was generally treated like water - it falls down and disappears (Bush-like physics).
# They used oil (petrol) as if it wasn't scarce more than human life.
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1. They didn't know exactly when, they figured the most of the Fallout from Denver would come down with the storm that was coming from Denver, and they assumed the storm was coming in about 2 hours as it usually does, the rain falling down the second he closed the door to his cellar shelter, I will agree was a little cheesy.

2. STUPID, if you payed attention at all you will have heard him ask and be positively replied that the MINE HAD VENTILATION, and water. What makes you think the air was full of dust? Didn't look like they were kicking any up to me. (water was prob used to keep that from happening in the mine at all times anyway.

3. The rain wasn't radioactive, and the dectape and crap was just a precautionary measure, no one is actually dumb enough to think that will help that much, its just to help keep any from leaking through the windows.

4. That barbeque was safe because the rain was not tainted with radioactivity, maybe Denver was hit by a hydrogen bomb, and less radioactive, or the fallout and mostly settled before the storm picked it up.

5. Oil? whats makes you think that? They used gas and diesel for important purposes like running the hospital or cars for scouting out for news. Sure they maybe used some on the food, but thats better than letting it all spoil.
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1. If you put a bunch of people inside a mine and have fallout problems, you either:
  • Don't blow the exit if you need to use ventilation anyway.
  • If you blow the exit to prevent fallout to enter, you won't use ventilation, would you...
  • Imagine how much dust must have got into air after the explosion in the mine - how would you breathe?

3. Windows leak... Yeah.

5. Oil - those fire brigade cars (not mentioning all the lights, pathetic speeches,...).

Hydrogen bomb produces radioactive particles too but less fallout (side effect of multimegaton yield - but we don't know the yield of the weapon).

Fallout is unpredictable, it can be carried by high altitude winds and descent days after the nuclear attack. Also, there was no need to close the shelter single blast door do fast...

Can you tell me about a reasonable pattern?
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Chernobyl was estimated to produce amounts of radioactive material similar to Hiroshima or Nagasaki bombs, which is pretty low - in Jerocho, we are talking about several bombs of high yield.
 
TJ07 said:
Hey, I live in Estonia and I heard about Jericho when I saw the cancel note on NMA. I just watched the first episode on a website I've found and I think it's the best show there is. So {"plz" bitch-slap me.} do the best you can to save the show, I live in Estonia so can't too much to save it :(
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Yes you can, sign on-line petitions
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?09272006

You can join on-line movements to save the program
http://www.jericholives.com/
http://www.nutsonline.com/jericho

4too said:
porn on their cell phones while they rear end your car at the stop light ...
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Yeah but Alec likes lookin at his girlies, he needs to see them where EVER he goes!

Karel, pally, you need to do a bit of research before you make assumptions about something. You will get burned trust me, we've all learned the hard way at some point.

While your statement about the radioactive fallout being fairly hard to predict is true; your other statements were clearly in error. No worries, we all make mistakes.

Cool pictures, I don't recall folk suffering radiation poisoning in the areas that are listed to be high risk for radiation exposure. Chernobyl was a small disaster in comparison though (recently its been discoverd the reactor has melted away much of the containment in place at Chernobyl!).

I wouldn't be suprised in the event that this did happen the fallout would be much more sever as you indicated. That Jericho or anything like it in the usa would simply not exist.

I guess the point here is this was a program that was unique. It was not that shit that is shoveled at us every day it was something special. While it may not have lived up to everyones expectations for realism it still had value to me and many others.

I think we can all agree that Jericho gave us something that has not existed in television today and thats something that I value and hope to see in the future before I become as turned off the the concept as 4too... Think that is what he was getting at anyway
 
1. If you put a bunch of people inside a mine and have fallout problems, you either:

* Don't blow the exit if you need to use ventilation anyway.
* If you blow the exit to prevent fallout to enter, you won't use ventilation, would you...
* Imagine how much dust must have got into air after the explosion in the mine - how would you breathe?
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The ventilation system didn't necessarily revolve around the major entrance. A Fallout shelter, or bunker, or anything like that wouldn't put the ventilation by the entrance, that make it that much easier to screw with.

There was probably dust yes, but if you watch the video you see there are twists and turns and diff. areas in the mine, so the dust might not have gone through the whole place.
 
I saw one episode, and that was enough for me, although I have a very low tolerance for TV dramas. The show did come across to me as a soapy in a PA setting, but this sort of thing is subjective. Each to their own.

Mick
 
Maphusio said:
TJ07 said:
Hey, I live in Estonia and I heard about Jericho when I saw the cancel note on NMA. I just watched the first episode on a website I've found and I think it's the best show there is. So {"{"plz" bitch-slap me.}" bitch-slap me.} do the best you can to save the show, I live in Estonia so can't too much to save it :(
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Yes you can, sign on-line petitions
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?09272006

You can join on-line movements to save the program
http://www.jericholives.com/
http://www.nutsonline.com/jericho

4too said:
porn on their cell phones while they rear end your car at the stop light ...
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Yeah but Alec likes lookin at his girlies, he needs to see them where EVER he goes!

Karel, pally, you need to do a bit of research before you make assumptions about something. You will get burned trust me, we've all learned the hard way at some point.

While your statement about the radioactive fallout being fairly hard to predict is true; your other statements were clearly in error. No worries, we all make mistakes.

Cool pictures, I don't recall folk suffering radiation poisoning in the areas that are listed to be high risk for radiation exposure. Chernobyl was a small disaster in comparison though (recently its been discoverd the reactor has melted away much of the containment in place at Chernobyl!).

I wouldn't be suprised in the event that this did happen the fallout would be much more sever as you indicated. That Jericho or anything like it in the usa would simply not exist.

I guess the point here is this was a program that was unique. It was not that shit that is shoveled at us every day it was something special. While it may not have lived up to everyones expectations for realism it still had value to me and many others.

I think we can all agree that Jericho gave us something that has not existed in television today and thats something that I value and hope to see in the future before I become as turned off the the concept as 4too... Think that is what he was getting at anyway
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I agree that the program was unique, you don't see much post-apocalyptic TV series these days (I'm not sure if there was any other - I think I once heard about one from eighties). However, it's uniqueness makes me more worried about its story and believability - you just can't easily stop watching it if there is no other recent post-apo movie. Unfortunately, it was spoiled by the story, unrealistic treatment of science and "body count".

When I saw the first episode, I expected something like Threads, an extremely plausible British film, even partially based on Civil Defence exercises and predictions, full of real dilemmas (e.g. do you need to feed people who received such dose that they have 50% chance of dying in two months, should they get medical treatment,...)? Its a problem of accepting huge TV companies policy - in Jericho, they get a lot of advertisement because nobody dies, nobody is malnourished, exhausted, having severe burns and, specifically, it is not depressing. When they aired The Day After, no company bought advertisement after the attack took place. Threads, produced by BBC, showed even more realistic (and thus depressing) view - I believe it was aired only once in US on a small cable company. Jericho could have been something like Malevil, but it became a random soap opera / action series set in a post-nuclear war to (possibly) get more viewers (=money from advertisement), which is something I hesitate to accept.

Anyway, I do quite a lot of research, as one of my hobbies is exploring nuclear bunkers and fallout shelters and collecting civil defence materials from all over the world, so I think I have a fairly good idea of e.g. ventilation requirements.

P.S.: I just realised that the mine and blowing of the exit was absolutely reasonable as long as you place there elderly people and young children and expect them to die there as this will lower the number of people you need to feed after the attack (one of the problems of nuclear war is that for the first months, too many unproductive people would still live and would have to be given some food, thus lowering rations for the few unhurt people able to work and making them incapacitated as well). I don't recall Jericho exploring this idea...

For those who haven't seen Threads yet:
(I can't post the calm voice of narrator of this "documentary style" film commenting the scene, so just some stills)
Public Information Film Announcer said:
The time has now come to make everything ready for you and your family in case an air attack happens. This does not mean that war is about to come, but there is a risk of it, and we must all be prepared.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmNrsqE9wVE
 
I just saw a possible easter egg related to fallout in episode 7. Even though i doubt it really is.

In the end one of the main characters (jack) is going to drive out of town in a crappy truck, to try to get some medicine for his father. Some girl that has a crush on him tells him to be careful, and "watch out for giant radiated ants" :D

Haha!.. cool even though its probably nothing.
 
Kion said:
I just saw a possible easter egg related to fallout in episode 7. Even though i doubt it really is.

In the end one of the main characters (jack) is going to drive out of town in a crappy truck, to try to get some medicine for his father. Some girl that has a crush on him tells him to be careful, and "watch out for giant radiated ants" :D

Haha!.. cool even though its probably nothing.
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Same thing crossed my mind when I saw that part but I too shrugged it off as mere coincidence.

Another Update:
The executive producer of Jericho has disclosed that they are currently in talks with CBS about their options (another network or otherwise).
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/shaunomacradio

The movement to save the show landed on front page news for the New York Times as well as various other news networks such as CNN and ABC.

So far over 35 THOUSAND pounds of nuts has been sent to CBS with 10,000 pounds sent on one day alone... pwnage
 
Maphusio said:
Kion said:
I just saw a possible easter egg related to fallout in episode 7. Even though i doubt it really is.

In the end one of the main characters (jack) is going to drive out of town in a crappy truck, to try to get some medicine for his father. Some girl that has a crush on him tells him to be careful, and "watch out for giant radiated ants" :D

Haha!.. cool even though its probably nothing.
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Same thing crossed my mind when I saw that part but I too shrugged it off as mere coincidence.

Another Update:
The executive producer of Jericho has disclosed that they are currently in talks with CBS about their options (another network or otherwise).
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/shaunomacradio

The movement to save the show landed on front page news for the New York Times as well as various other news networks such as CNN and ABC.

So far over 35 THOUSAND pounds of nuts has been sent to CBS with 10,000 pounds sent on one day alone... pwnage
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Hey, at least they won't ever run out of peanut butter now. :lol:
 
The 'giant radiated ants' quote was most likely a reference to 50's sci-fi that maybe the writers' parents mentioned when they were younger, I doubt those people ever even heard of "Them," much less saw it and were influenced by it. And I find it extremely unlikely that they played any Fallout game, even Tactics or POS.

However, if they had, I'm baffled as to why they would turn out a show that's basically a lower budget The OC without cell phones, some guns, and a few mushroom clouds in the distance. Actually no, that might actually have something to it. Excuse me while I go write a tv show.

Er, well before I go do that I should say I understand that if you liked it, it may seem like I'm attacking you. I'm not though, I'm voicing how I was let down by this crappy show. Just like many were let down by Waterworld, yet I still defend that pile of crap without taking offense when people say it sucks.

So yeah, don't cry about it. If it's any consolation I'd support getting the show back on if two of the conditions were injecting some realism into it and dumping some crap out. If the 'movement' can concede the point that the show kind of blew then maybe they'd rally more people who casually watched it to kill time, like myself.
 
Kion said:
I just saw a possible easter egg related to fallout in episode 7. Even though i doubt it really is.

In the end one of the main characters (jack) is going to drive out of town in a crappy truck, to try to get some medicine for his father. Some girl that has a crush on him tells him to be careful, and "watch out for giant radiated ants" :D

Haha!.. cool even though its probably nothing.
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Actually, the producers have said some of them were fans of Fallout, and one even referred to Tim Cain as "a genius". So, yeah, that was worked in as a Fallout reference.
On the official CBS forums, about once a week the producers fielded a few questions posted on the forums, and the official CBS Jericho Wiki has copies of the answers.
http://jerichowiki.cbs.com/page/Ask+the+Producers Scroll down to the January 3rd questions.
The main character is Jake, not Jack, by the way.

Word is out:
Jericho has (apparently) been SAVED. Several media outlets are reporting that the renewal is going to be official as soon as a last few key actors sign new contracts. Its apparently going to be back for an 8 show run, and will be a mid-season replacement, with option for more seasons afterwards. Even word from Carol Barbee (one of the main producers) is that its all but a done deal, and the fan revolt has saved the show.[/url]
 
Again, theyre apparently keeping the option open for more seasons beyond that, but CBS wants to see if the support is there first. What killed the first season was the long break in the middle. Well, that and going against American Idol (yech). Hopefully CBS wont bury it with poor scheduling this time.
 
HAZAAH! If this indeed is true... Well, I will do a Conan O'Brian Irish Jig


(January 3rd, 2007)

Question:

I'm a huge fan of the post-apocalyptic movies and books, all thanks to a PC game series entitled "Fallout" (and I'm sure there are a lot of fans of these games watching "Jericho"). Has any of you played the game? If so, can we count on some (even subtle) references to these games?

Producer's Response:

We love "Fallout." Tim Cain is a genius. Look for our answer to The Hub in episode 13, entitled "Black Jack." You can watch a short preview for that episode on Innertube right now. Also, the rabbit is reduced to a thin red paste.



EDIT: There are no articles I can see indicating the shows salvation.



2nd EDIT:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2007/06/its_official_th.html
http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/blogtalkradio/show_26146.wax
 
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