Tenpenny Tower settling date

Discussion in 'Fallout 3 Discussion' started by aendrest, Mar 22, 2013.

  1. aendrest

    aendrest First time out of the vault

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    Mar 22, 2013
    I'm currently working on a design document I've named "Tenpenny Tower Reimagined" which I plan to release in fan-fiction once it's done.

    One of the things I'm interested in is when Allistair settled in the tower? I don't recall anyone ever actually telling this and it's a piece of information that would help me plan out the timeline for the area.

    Now, why I chose this is area is because I find the setting interesting, but very lacking.
     
  2. davethedave123

    davethedave123 First time out of the vault

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    Dec 24, 2012
    It doesn't give us any definite time that he settled there but we can guess, since he is 80 years old, that it was at least 20-30 years ago. He also likely inhabited it before Megaton was built since he only sees it as a problem in 2277.
     
  3. Muff

    Muff Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    May 5, 2006
    The Wiki is useless when it comes to the time line on ten penny tower, but I think its not more than 15/20 years at most. Supposedly he is a English explorer who came to America in this 20/30's.

    TBH though he is one of the plot holes that makes no sense, for a whole multitude of reasons. Same with Moriarty. I don't see either of them settling down in the supposed hell hole of the Capital Wasteland, when there is areas not far to the north that are far batter for them. Or the whole thing about them sailing across the Atlantic anyhow seems to rate a 8/10 on the plausibility meeter, but that's beth all over.
     
  4. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Well, them sailing across the ocean isn't that far fetched, it could actually shed light on life outside america after the Great War, Boats restored to working order that start out with a relatively large sized tribe of people trying to escape only to die on te way, very few actually finding land.
     
  5. drakesbane

    drakesbane First time out of the vault

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    Dec 16, 2011
    It is when you consider the war caused global destruction, which was previously established.
     
  6. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    People traveled through the ocean with less technology and no Robots, refurbrishing an Old boat, maybe trying to make a bigger ship that just fell to disuse after the war isn't that far fetched.
    Also what's "Global Destruction" suppossed to mean? did every single boat and piece of metal dissappeared? Did the ocean turn to lava? I am not talking about regular trips, more like one time expeditions that mostly end in failure and death.
     
  7. aendrest

    aendrest First time out of the vault

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    Mar 22, 2013
    Hmm, can't seem to find any info on when Megaton was built either, though it has existed before 2241. That means Allistair would have settled in around his thirties of forties at least, which makes sense though and is perfect for my use. I'm currently thinking of 2231, meaning Tenpenny would have been 34 around that time. Seems like a good age for someone who establishes a new settlement, though whether he has the wealth to do so at this point is questionable. Then again, if he did manage to build/restore a ship to come across the Atlantic he should have at least some resources.

    I myself personally do think he could be from England, but then again I'm also more interested in the idea that he might actually be a regular wastelander capable of reading, who simply adopted the accent from old holotapes and read enough about England to know what it might be like after a war. This would leave room for a story as to why Allistair chose to play and continue to play a role like that.
     
  8. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    It isn't, when they started doing it over six hundred years ago (even if they did it unintentionally).
     
  9. BFox17

    BFox17 Still Mildly Glowing

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    Apr 20, 2012
    Yeah, I mean, humans have been sailing oceans for centuries. It isn't that far-fetched.
     
  10. BonusWaffle

    BonusWaffle Still Mildly Glowing

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    Mar 6, 2013
    Not necessarily. Tenpenny never really cared about megaton, blowing it up was burkes idea. He said something like he made an offhand remark one day about how megaton was kind of ugly and burke "was nice enough" to take care of it.
     
  11. Muff

    Muff Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    May 5, 2006
    OK this is why I say his voyage across the Atlantic is implausible:

    1) Any ship that was once capable of a Transatlantic voyage would after 200 years be disrepair be so dangerous to sail he would have died in the attempt, when this ship crumbled round them.

    2) It is unlikely that he or many others would posses the skill's necessary to build a new vessel, to make the attempt as ship building is a skill that few today posses. How likely is it that the skill's survived 200 years when they are of no use.

    3) OK let's assume for a moment he is really British, and he has made a successful voyage across the Atlantic, why would he settle in one of the poorest and most inhospitable regions of the wastes we know of when just up north there is supposedly a Technological society? While he lives in comparative luxury to the rest of the Capital wasteland the region is not exactly safe or well supplied.

    Personally, I believe it was a kludge by Beth to make him seem opulent he spoke with a "English" accent, Same goes for Colin Moriarty as he speaks with a "Irish" accent, who was a cheerful Irish barman. Both are somewhat stereotypical cultural identities that seem to be common in the USA about the Irish and English.
     
  12. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    Problems is it opens a huge can of worms.

    -He reached the US by himself or with others? If the former how did he? He can't have just sailed across the sea with a raft (seas are supposed te be mostly devoid of life so he can't even have fisehd for support). If the latter were are the others?
    -There are communications with europe? If yes why there's absolutely no information on the state of europe? If no why did he risked such a voyage?
    -People coming from europe is a "normal" occurence? Was Tenpenny a crazy man for trying something like that?
    -What IS the state of europe?

    And so on and so forth. Tenpenny being from europe is just Beth being poor writers.

    Yeah, Emil. It makes no sense, but no biggie.
     
  13. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    The only thing that makes the vogaye implausible is Beth not sing it properly, the ship causing the death of most of the expedition could actually be a plot point, only a few surviving, and then the inability to travel elsewhere because everything went down with the ship.

    But Beth just barely even used the implications of the Idea, he is Brrrrritish, and he is rich and pompous, OKAY CHARACTER WRITTEN, GENIUS!
     
  14. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    In particular it's so pathetic that a megaton revelation for the setting like that (that europe isn' a dead wasteland and that people CAN reach america) is just thrown in a loading screen and Beth has the guts the say "we make people think this way, we are so deep!". :|
     
  15. CthuluIsSpy

    CthuluIsSpy A Smooth-Skin

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    Dec 20, 2011
    Yeah, now I want to see what Europe is like.

    And then I remember Metro 2033 exists.

    If a game makes you think about playing another one while you are still playing it...eh, you know how it goes.
     
  16. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    Yes. It would be a piece of cake.
    Bethesda surely missed the punch here.
     
  17. The Sixth Ranger

    The Sixth Ranger It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Mar 10, 2013
    There are also two new holes: finding a captain and finding fuel.

    First off, a captain is hard to find in the wastes. As most of the oceans have become irradiated and are filled with mutants and debris. Sure, it might be possible to find a captain for a small ship, but it would be nigh impossible to find a captain for a large ship requiring at least 20 crew members, and possessing advanced electronics and machinery.

    The second problem is fuel. The Resource Wars drained a lot of Europe of most of their fossil fuels, and I doubt most ships would posses a nuclear reactor. Tenpenny might have found someone who could create biofuel, but I doubt they could create hundreds of liters for an ocean faring ship.

    I could elaborate a lot more, but as another user said, 'digging deeper is like opening a can of worms'.
     
  18. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    How is the ocean full of mutants if it's supposed to be lifeless and shit? Do we know the actual state of the oceans anywhere?
     
  19. The Sixth Ranger

    The Sixth Ranger It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Mar 10, 2013
    Tobar says there is wildlife in the sea, but that's probably only near the coast. I just made an assumption.
     
  20. Alesia

    Alesia It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Mar 3, 2013
    If there's mutated crabs (mirelurks), I don't see why there couldn't be the possibility of a big kraken or something out in the ocean.