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Crni Vuk said:
Well its not like I want to say that her art is the new Van Gogh or that she has the same skill in the understanding about human anatomy like either Da Vainci or Michelangelo.

I just say that one should really not judge someomes artistic skills on a single work or the number of boners in the art ... :shock: :P
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Yet I would sum up this argument as UncannyGarlic did : "She's either a skilled amateur or a bad professional"
If I remember correctly the topic was about someone getting hired by Obsidian, and to get hired as a designer/concept artist you have to show some professional skill. That's the "skill" we want to talk about, and it's not as subjective as you seem to think...
The works presented here don't seem epresentative of what a "skilled professional" would produce to me.

Crni Vuk said:
You know Graffiti is something that leaves me as absolutely cold and something I would call mediocre at best, a street art ( and I know many artschools in Germany dont have much liking for that either as they dont accept that as portfolio anymore). But does it mean those people dont have skill in what they do? Or that they dont have great artistic skills cause I find it mediocre.
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Oh please...
Graffiti is painting on a particular support. It would be like saying "Art Schools in germany don't accept drawings made on cardboard"... It just doesn't make sense. Maybe you're confusing with a particular drawing style that Art Schools don't like.

Just watch the works of Banksy or Blu and come back tell us that Graffiti in general is mediocre...
 
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Huh, fun? Yes. Art? Sure. But exceptional ? Not in my eyes. Again, I judge this by my own biased feelings as I feel in general not tempted by graffity or similar art. Doesnt mean though that its bad art or those people like Banksy have not great skills and dont deserve the attention. Its just that I lack the needed eye and skills as critic to judge that thus I can only say that I like graffity less just like I like chocolate less compared to vanilla. But here as well I never seen what makes Picassos work worth a few million dollars. But well.

What ever if someome is really skilled or not is a complex question.
 
Crni Vuk said:
What ever if someome is really skilled or not is a complex question.
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No, it's a very simple question. Someone is skilled when they can do something most other people cannot or find difficult.

The complex question is whether you like something or not, or whether something can be considered art or not.

There's no particular reason why graffiti can't be art.
 
Of course graffity is art. Its just not my taste.

Sander said:
No, it's a very simple question. Someone is skilled when they can do something most other people cannot or find difficult.
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I dont think its that simple. A lot of the things special people do could be achieved by every usual human (no no no I will not bring up that monkey-writting-shakespeare-roman example now :P ). What makes someome really succesful in his profession is a complex question as even philosophers argued about that point a few thousand years back. Just like its not that simple to explain what justice is. But I guess thats pretty much almost like talking about semantics ...

to get back to the point everyone can learn drawing or to do art, even with some great quality. Really. Its not that hard and its not rocket science. What it takes is mostly practise and ambition. What seperates a true skilled person from a usual person. Would Michelangelo or Da Vinci posses the same genius if they had been born without hands ?

When talking about art respectively what is important and in my eyes seperates the usual artist that everyone can be and the really exceptional or special artist is creativity. The artist makes the tools not the tools the artist. It depends how well you can realise what you imagine particularly if you see art as a form of comunication between yourself and the observer.

A good example are Rembrandt and Da Vinci. No one will argue that Rembrandt was a master in his field and that it is hard to find someome who reached the same quality like his work. The difference is that Da Vinci created completely new forms of artistical techniques, and his study regarding shadings, colour and anatomy are still today a reference for many. For the work on the last super he worked out a completely new way how to make frescos for example. Both had a skill but each in a different direction.
 
Crni Vuk said:
I dont think its that simple. A lot of the things special people do could be achieved by every usual human (no no no I will not bring up that monkey-writting-shakespeare-roman example now :P ).
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I'm not talking hypotheticals, I'm talking actuals. I could certainly learn how to make furniture, but I can't. That makes someone who can more skilled at making furniture than me, regardless of my potential.

Also, no, a lot of things that 'special people' do cannot be achieved by everyone else out there. That's why everyone else out there is not a world-class athlete.
 
well, i'm still conflicted here a lot it's so meh that I wonder if there's any real inspiration there
 
Sander said:
Crni Vuk said:
I dont think its that simple. A lot of the things special people do could be achieved by every usual human (no no no I will not bring up that monkey-writting-shakespeare-roman example now :P ).
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I'm not talking hypotheticals, I'm talking actuals. I could certainly learn how to make furniture, but I can't. That makes someone who can more skilled at making furniture than me, regardless of my potential.

Also, no, a lot of things that 'special people' do cannot be achieved by everyone else out there. That's why everyone else out there is not a world-class athlete.
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I guess its more that you dont want to learn it which is no issue at all sine all of us have a different idea of what we want to achieve and why we do what we do or dont.

Many have skills they dont even konw about since they dont exploit or use them.

many teachers in music will tell you taht skill alone makes only very lidle when it comes to a really talented musician. I can remember a violinist explaining why he was impresed about one of his most gifted students as he said that it was not only great skill she showed in the use of the violin but most important the discipline to use it every day and practise in her skills. He explained it to say that way skill makes maybe 5 or 10% in his eyes what really is important is how dedicated and concentrated someome is in other words if he has the will to work hard with his skills. What does it help to be the most gifted person in the world if you dont use the skills or never work with it. Thus why I think its not easy to what ever determine if someome is "really" skilled or not cause how many people do waste the skills they have cause they either dont see it or think everything should just simply work from alone.

I am sure alot of people can do better art and have much higher skills then this guy. But what makes him special is that he hasnt give up. And I am sure a hell lot of people told him in one way or another that he should not get his hopes up when it comes to art. Still he shows a great skill in his own special way.

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