Texas LARPING Frozen.

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Feb 18, 2021.

  1. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008



    Matthew Dowd warns not to ‘forget what you’ve been lied to about’ (msnbc.com)

    GOP politicians in Texas push ‘survival of the fittest’ during power outages, snow storms, pandemic (msnbc.com)

    Looks like the shit has hit the fan. And it's not green energy or fossil fuel or some politics here (similar issues exist also in states run by democrats). It's simply incompetence and greed on a national level. For decades.

    Crucial infrastrucutre which has been underfunded and not properly prepared, maintained and modernised.

    I hope all the Texans here are doing well though and looking out for each other because that right now seems to be the only thing they can do since the government is failing at its responsibility.
     
  2. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Too much reliance on natural gas as its only major source of power. Had Texas relied more on coal or nuclear power?
    Who knows? In AZ, most of the power is nuclear and coal with solar as a nice bonus.

    Also it is a freak storm as nothing like this had hit the state before. Now California, that states been fucked up a loooooong time.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/natural-gas-power-storm/

    https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/texas-power-outages-why-blackouts-hit-as-temperatures-dropped/
     
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  3. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    It's - as far as I can read - a combination of many issues which well created the perfect storm so to speak. Texas has created an electricity grid which is independed from the rest of the nation. They deregulated the electricity grid - winterising equipment was seen as >optional<. And they got a lot of private contractors in which monopolized it. Add to that the fact that a lot of the equipment in use is also outdated and yeah ... that's how such things happen.

    Makes you wonder what the governmant has done here really in the last 20+ years. And it doesn't seem like the people that should actually do something to protect the citizens are willing to learn from it.
     
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  4. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Well, seeing as how this is the first time Texas has had a problem of this magnitude, it is clearly not a chronic problem, or at least, not yet.

    I think and hope that officials will have learned from these mistakes and try to prepare better next time.

    Then again, California has had wildfires all the time and power outages are not new. STILL, people over there clearly haven't learned from their mistakes so who knows.
     
  5. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Some people said this was not the first time. While it is rare it did happen in the past and they had similar events already.

    10. 1951 ICE STORM - JANUARY 29-FEBRUARY 2, 1951 (TIE)
    • THE TEMPERATURE IN HOUSTON DROPPED BELOW FREEZING ON JANUARY 29 AND DID NOT RISE ABOVE FREEZING UNTIL FEBRUARY 2. THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE DURING THIS 123 HOUR PERIOD WAS 28.0 DEGREES
    • 1.42 INCHES OF LIQUID PRECIPITATION FELL DURING THIS COLD SPELL PRODUCING ONE OF THE WORST ICE STORMS IN CITY HISTORY RESULTING IN TREMENDOUS AGRICULTURAL AND LIVESTOCK LOSSES
    • COLLEGE STATION REMAINED BELOW FREEZING FOR 4 CONSECUTIVE DAYS AND GALVESTON REMAINED BELOW FREEZING FOR 3 CONSECUTIVE DAYS

    9. ARCTIC OUTBREAKS OF DECEMBER 1983 AND 1989
    • DECEMBER OF 1989 WAS THE COLDEST MONTH IN HISTORY FOR GALVESTON... HOUSTON AND COLLEGE STATION. DECEMBER OF 1983 WAS THE SECOND COLDEST MONTH FOR THE SAME LOCATIONS
    • ON DECEMBER 22 1989...HOUSTON RECEIVED 1.7 INCHES OF SNOW WHILE GALVESTON RECEIVED AN INCH; IT WAS THE LAST MEASURABLE SNOW FOR EACH LOCATION
    • COLDEST DECEMBER TEMPERATURES EVER RECORDED ACROSS THE AREA. ON DECEMBER 23 1989...COLLEGE STATION HAD A LOW OF 2 DEGREES...HOUSTON HAD A LOW OF 7 DEGREES AND GALVESTON HAD A LOW TEMPERATURE OF 14 DEGREES
    • IN 1983...HOUSTON REMAINED BELOW FREEZING FOR ALMOST FIVE CONSECUTIVE DAYS WHILE COLLEGE STATION HAD MORNING LOWS IN THE TEENS FOR FIVE CONSECUTIVE MORNINGS
    So yeah. Extreme weather is unpredictable - albeit it will become much more common with climate change. But it's not like it never happens.
     
  6. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Nukeulear Power! but three mile chrybobily! will have Atomic Super Men everywhere!
    That is the common response from green energy advocates when bringing this up. They want things like Solar Roads and wind roads, which admittedly would make driving a more interesting experience. but we got to look at the real cause of this snowvistation in Texas.

    Ted Cruz.
     
  7. 1Punman

    1Punman It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jan 29, 2021
  8. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    But how many of those times have we seen a complete failure of the power grid?

    What I am saying is that what happened with the power recently is not common.

    What IS common is living in tornado country with a proven history of tornadoes. Why people continue to live there? I do not know.
     
  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I am not saying that it is "common" but do you only prepare infrastructure for what is common? There is technology and methods out there out there capably of working in the conditions that Texas is facing right now and the only reason it hasn't been used is because some deemed it at as "too expensive". Because winterising the equipment and infrastructure properly was seen as well, optional. So I guess this is how it will be now? Each time something like that happens you just say, oh well nothing we can do about it!

    Seems unamerican to me to be honest.
     
  10. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Aug 16, 2010
    Cost/benefit analysis. There's only so much you can prepare for before any further improvement becomes unreasonably expensive. And sometimes exceptional circumstances happen. It's not like we didn't have cities/areas without heating here in Germany in the past weeks as well, when heating plants failed.
     
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  11. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    But what happend to Texas would be comparable to a whole "state" like Bavaria, loosing all heating and power. And if that happend, I am sure there would be some heads rolling and a lot of people asking, how did that happen? And why did it happen? And can we do something to prevent it from happening? So it's not just like one city or local area. And even there you could always ask the same questions.

    What happend in Texas has reasons and I think it would be wrong to believe that there is absolutely nothing you could do about it. They made some very drastic and deliberate choices over the years - decades really. Like the choice to have an electricity grid that's seperated from the rest of the country. To deregulate the infrastructure so companies have less incentive to modernise and prepare. The monopolisation by the energy sector leaving people with fewer choices by having a few large companies leading the market. Or as some put it.

    Texas experienced the perfect storm.

    If you do not go in and see >>>>crucial<<<<< infrastructure as something which should maybe not be seen as simple like a cost-benefit analysis but also from a human point of view, well then go on. But then also deal with the effect of people freezing and dying. And we see this attitude in many crucial areas not just electricity like health care as well. The thing is we're not talking about a luxury here. We're talking about infrastructure which is actually required to survive today. Is it really good to put a price tag on that and call it a day? I don't know. Terms like security of supply come from somewhere and can be even a matter of national security.

    Because what you're (as a state/government) basically saying here as is, yeah well proper winterisation and improvements are optional and since this is to expensive we can't be arsed and leave the costs of preparing for it to the individual citizen. And if you do not have the resources and funds to it. Well. Tough luck motherfucker. Looks like you're freezing your ass off despite paying money for it.

    Regardless of any cost/benefit analysis if we're talking about a crucial infrastrucuture which is not optional then you will ALWAYS pay for it in the end one way or another. Unless of course you see freezing your ass off and potentialy even dying as optional. I guess that's the ultimate price you could say. But hey if everything fails just "escape" to Cancun.

    It just seems asinine to me to even suggest that the United Stations one of the richest and technologically most advanced nations on this planet can not figure out ways how to at least mitigate the effects of such a dissaster. They can send SUV sized robots to mars. Attack any country at any time at any place.

    But when it comes to crucial infrastructure serving the public? Like water, health care, electricity? Well. Then I guess you're simply fucked. Because those things have to follow a "cost-benefit" analysis. And I think this is great because now you can actually put a price on a human life in Texas by looking how many died because of this crisis and how much the state saved in money. From there you can exprapolate what a life is worth to the Texas government.
     
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  12. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    you could just print more money to cover the costs, man.
     
  13. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Aug 16, 2010
    In the end it's not really a surprise. Most of the american infrastructure and grid are rotten and shite, precisely because the school of thought is "Well, it works for now, preparing for some rare possibilities is gonna be too expensive". Redundancy, safety margins, overengineering has never been the most american thing, and now, for Texas with its independent power grid, it bit them in the ass. It happens, and let's be real here, it will happen again.
     
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  14. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    Yeah because Oklahoma got it bad too but you didn't see millions of us lose power.
     
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  15. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    My favorite part is elected officials calling for an overhaul of American infrastructure only to immediately bemoan the cost but at the same giving Pakistan $50 million for gender studies programs. Though costs would skyrocket through graft and Union Corruption. so Catch-22 it is.
     
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  16. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Maybe. But at some point you kinda have to do it. That's the thing with infrastructure. You well, kinda need it. And honestly historically speaking if there is actually one thing the United States is really great in? Then it's large infrastructure projects. From the railway system, to highways, electricity you name it. Or the Manhattan project, the first man on the Moon. All of those things happend in the US first.

    Modernising the United States infrastructure would be definetly a very daunting task. But if one nation can pull it of, it is the United States.

    Funny how that argument is never brought up when it comes to inflating the budged of the Pentagon some more. Or tax cuts - most of the time benefiting the very wealthy.

    But infrastructure we all need and which is essential? Sorry sir. We can't print money!111
     
  17. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    As sad as it is, humans have a history of not doing things until being forced to do so.

    Best thing we can hope for is for Texas to learn from this lesson and figure out a better compromise than what they have done already.
     
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  18. 1Punman

    1Punman It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jan 29, 2021
    Hopefully it will get better soon, here's something to cheer you up.

    sm.png
     
  19. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    This will cheer them up. The snowman can be used to melt it down and run the toilet.
     
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  20. 1Punman

    1Punman It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jan 29, 2021
    And with the shovel they can bring more snow.
     
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