That's my president! Leader of the Free World!

[Murdoch]

Bush flipping off reporters, as told by Jay Leno

God I just love being an American right now. I'll take a president who likes getting his knob polished over this tool any day.

I wonder what Australia's like right now?

 

[John Uskglass]

Haha. Sweet.

 

[Montez]

And we have a vice president who likes to yell "fuck you" on live tv as well. For the party of family values and devout christianity they sure have a lot of vulgarians, eh?

 

[Brother None]

Heh, makes sense, reporters are really bloody annoying

Bad show, though, another piece in the puzzle of what well might be remembered as one of the worse presidents in American history since William Henry Harrison (no offense to Harrison, but fer fuck's sake, get some common sense, dude, standing in the rain orating = bad)

 

[John Uskglass]

Actually Kharn, the worst president ever was James Buchanan, who also happens to be our only president who was more likely gay then not. And he's certainly not as bad as Nixon. Or Hoover.

I don't know what people will think of Bush in the future. Remember that people hated Truman when he was president, and he was as good/better then almost any other president in the 20th Century. People also thought Lincoln, Reagen and even Truman where dumb.

 

[Murdoch]

Actually Kharn, the worst president ever was James Buchanan, who also happens to be our only president who was more likely gay then not. And he's certainly not as bad as Nixon. Or Hoover.

What the fuck does his orientation have to do with anything? And if you say 'nothing', why include it?

I don't know what people will think of Bush in the future. Remember that people hated Truman when he was president, and he was as good/better then almost any other president in the 20th Century. People also thought Lincoln, Reagen and even Truman where dumb.

You can always find someone who thinks some president is dumb CCR. Presidents can only be judged after a few decades, when the results of their actions truly become apparent. Of course, I think you're saying this, but I can't really tell, being as you are so languid it hurts to read.

 

[Bradylama]

Nothing like a Lame Duck president to make things interesting.

 

[John Uskglass]

Nothing like a Lame Duck president to make things interesting.

Yup. One of the charms of American politics.

What the fuck does his orientation have to do with anything? And if you say 'nothing', why include it?

Because gay people should not be given positions of power.

You can always find someone who thinks some president is dumb CCR. Presidents can only be judged after a few decades, when the results of their actions truly become apparent. Of course, I think you're saying this, but I can't really tell, being as you are so languid it hurts to read.

Haha. Languid. No one would have accused me of being that a few months ago.

That's pretty much what I was saying.

 

[DirtyDreamDesigner]

Because gay people should not be given positions of power.

No, wait, are you actually saying that?

 

[John Uskglass]

No, I'm not. I'm all for Wooz becoming president of the EU.

 

[Montez]

Because gay people should not be given positions of power.

Red Alert, Red Alert! All personnel immediately don flame-retardant clothing!

As for the other thing, I don't think Bush will be remembered too harshly. As much as I dislike almost everything he, his cronies, and his puppet masters stand for I have to admit that he's pretty charismatic, and his administration didn't really have any more underhandedness, lies, and out-and-out criminality than any other administration that's been around since I've been alive. I'm sure a lot that's gone on under him will be remembered as short-sighted blunders made for the personal gain of himself and his 'friends' rather than for the benefit of the country, but the same goes for Reagan, Bush Sr. and probably even Clinton. They all suck, the best that can be done until humanity has evolved is to vociferously and vigorously oppose anything anyone in power wants to do and hopefully in the process render them fairly harmless.

 

[Colt]

Heh. God must hate us. It actually looks like he put two fingers up and then jerked the first one down.

 

[Malky]

Because gay people should not be given positions of power.

No, wait, are you actually saying that?

No worries, dude, he's just in denial of his own homosexuality.

Give it time, CCR. Give it time.

 

[Tagaziel]

I vote for cloning Jozef Piłsudski.

We have his cells. We have a documentation of his life.

Let the cloning begin!

 

[Brother None]

Actually Kharn, the worst president ever was James Buchanan

Blaming Buchanan and Pierce for the inevitability that was the Civil War is one of the lame excuses Americans make to cover up their own history. It wasn't their fault. Yeah, they were pretty incompetent, but that doesn't make them responsible.

I don't know what people will think of Bush in the future. Remember that people hated Truman when he was president, and he was as good/better then almost any other president in the 20th Century. People also thought Lincoln, Reagen and even Truman where dumb.

Uh...dude...Reagan *was* fucking dumb.

Reagan is the inventor of infamous Reaganomics, a much-supported economic theory that YET SOMEHOW didn't manage to get the American economy back on its feet.

Truman is kind of standing in the shadow of FD Roosevelt, the true victor of the war and chief responsible for the victories made after the war. Truman is little more than an executive man in his shadow.

Lincoln stepped forward to make an act that nearly destroyed the nation. Shit yeah people though he was dumb. I would've called him an idiot.

On the same topic, Nixon was not a bad president who managed international politics with a kind of fluidity and grace. Too bad he was a paranoid git, which was his downfall, other than that he was quite excellent.

Actually, my candidate for worse president ever would probably by Kennedy, the man who almost blew up the world.

languid

Languid is not the word I'd use, personally, though you do seem without any zest to back up your opinions, probably because you realise yourself how ludicrous they are.

I'd call you jejune, myself

As for the other thing, I don't think Bush will be remembered too harshly. As much as I dislike almost everything he, his cronies, and his puppet masters stand for I have to admit that he's pretty charismatic, and his administration didn't really have any more underhandedness, lies, and out-and-out criminality than any other administration that's been around since I've been alive.

The main problem being he's saddling the nation with an enormous debts and two wars (not counting the War on Terror) that have no visible outcome anywhere in the near future.

Hand-me-downs like those don't tend to be remembered well, depending on how well the American economy will float these next few years

 

[John Uskglass]

Blaming Buchanan and Pierce for the inevitability that was the Civil War is one of the lame excuses Americans make to cover up their own history. It wasn't their fault. Yeah, they were pretty incompetent, but that doesn't make them responsible.

'Inevitability'? Did Brazil go through a civil war over slavery? No, of course not. The transition could have been peacful and eventual.

Uh...dude...Reagan *was* fucking dumb.

Okay, even if he *was* dumb, which I don't personally believe, occasionally a dumb president can be a good president.

Reagan is the inventor of infamous Reaganomics, a much-supported economic theory that YET SOMEHOW didn't manage to get the
American economy back on its feet.

I'm no Libertardian, I don't believe in it.

Truman is kind of standing in the shadow of FD Roosevelt, the true victor of the war and chief responsible for the victories made after the war. Truman is little more than an executive man in his shadow.

You have to be bullshitting me. FDR was an excellent president and a fine leader during the War, and could be one of the main reasons the Allies won the war, but his economics where bad, he came *dangerously* close to being an Autocrat at times and he, wrongly, believed American goodwill could convince Stalin & Pals to allow democratic elections across Eastern Europe. Because of that, Eastern Europe had to go through unimagineable hardships under the Russian whip for the next 40 years.

I'd say the 'true victor of the war' was Churchill, but I could see how you could say that.

Truth is, Truman was a genius, and probably my favorite Democratic president. I don't know where the world would be without the Marshall Plan, the Korean War and NATO: I don't want to think about it, actually.

Lincoln stepped forward to make an act that nearly destroyed the nation. Shit yeah people though he was dumb. I would've called him an idiot.

That's because you would have (and are in this case) an idiot. Maintaining the unity of the nation was important, and the vast majority of people knew that. Even Marx did.

On the same topic, Nixon was not a bad president who managed international politics with a kind of fluidity and grace. Too bad he was a paranoid git, which was his downfall, other than that he was quite excellent.

His economics where bad, he kissed Mao's ass, he was almost authoritarian and was extremley paranoid when it came to competition. I don't like him at all, he's my least favorite Republican president.

Actually, my candidate for worse president ever would probably by Kennedy, the man who almost blew up the world.

I was going to mention that, but was afraid I would get flamed.

jejune

Damn you, that's *two* times I had to go to Dictionary.com because of this thread!

 

[Brother None]

'Inevitability'? Did Brazil go through a civil war over slavery? No, of course not. The transition could have been peacful and eventual.

This might be aplicable if the Civil War was about slavery.

Slavery, however, was just one of the things the Civil War was about, just like the Duke of Austro-Hungary getting shot was one of the things WW 1 was about. Not exactly pantamount.

I'm no Libertardian, I don't believe in it.

Bush's doing it too. Didn't look to be doing any good for the economy, though his purposeful down-pushing of dollar values sure is.

Hah, and you blame the Chinese of under-valuing their coin

You have to be bullshitting me. FDR was an excellent president and a fine leader during the War, and could be one of the main reasons the Allies won the war, but his economics where bad, he came *dangerously* close to being an Autocrat at times and he, wrongly, believed American goodwill could convince Stalin & Pals to allow democratic elections across Eastern Europe. Because of that, Eastern Europe had to go through unimagineable hardships under the Russian whip for the next 40 years.

For someone with fucked up economics he did seem to somehow manage to get America out of an economic crisis that brought Europe tumbling down.

Roosevelt's affections towards Stalin were a part of the war, really. Who knows what the long-term results would've been if he held on to them after the war, alive and well? I can't say the Arms Race did a lot of good to the people under Soviet Rule.

In fact, I'm kind of unclear on what kind of good a paranoid prez would have done

I'd say the 'true victor of the war' was Churchill, but I could see how you could say that.

Uhm, no, I was talking purely from the American point of view. The "pure victor" overall would still have to be Stalin. Sorry.

That's because you would have (and are in this case) an idiot. Maintaining the unity of the nation was important, and the vast majority of people knew that. Even Marx did.

I would have and am an idiot? Engrish?

You don't understand my point, his actions directly threatened the safety of the nation, hence they were criticised. There's nothing much you can do about that, people always criticise and they'll do more of it if you blow a big trumpet, like Lincoln's.

I was speaking in a pretty obvious hyperbole. Went straight over yer head, ey?

I don't see how Marx counts as an "even"

he kissed Mao's ass

Wait, establishing important links of communication that were an important step in making China what it is now = kissing Mao's ass?

Yeh.

Damn you, that's *two* times I had to go to Dictionary.com because of this thread!

Uhm...what was the first time?

 

[Maphusio]

You seriously think he was the worst? I am stupefied that anyone would take George Bush over JFK, absolutely stupefied. I seriously do not think you can blame him and his administration for the problems faced in those years. History regards those years as some of the best years of America. They called those years the "Camelot years". I would venture to say much of the world could consider those years as some of the best years.

The Bay of Pigs, yeah disaster. His father, yeah disaster. But JFK the worst ever, lol that’s got to be a joke. Do you regard the Cuban Missile Crisis as a huge failure on their part? If so what alternatives did they have at the time? Please tell me what I am missing as I have made it a passion of mine to study the Kennedy family. If anything those who conspired against him should be the ones responsible for almost blowing up America. In fact, you could say they are and it has.

 

[MadDog]

Ok, did any of you watch the little video? Ends up its a thumbs up, not middle finger. Human anatomy.

 

[Bradylama]

I'm no Libertardian, I don't believe in it.

I'd hardly call Reagonomics Libertarian. Reagonomics didn't amount to much other than a free ride for the wealthy. While the rich do invest, companies still need revenues to achieve growth, and they aren't getting a huge amount of money from people in "planned communities" (no niggers). It's the middle class that consumes and drives the nation's economy. If Reagan had maybe instituted a Flat Tax, that would've been the closest thing to a Libertarian measure.

I still like Reagan, though. It seems that it always takes madmen to get things done for the country. Reagan pursued the Soviet Union with wreckless abandon, and out-spended them into the ground. Crazy as Hell, but it worked.

This might be aplicable if the Civil War was about slavery.

Slavery, however, was just one of the things the Civil War was about, just like the Duke of Austro-Hungary getting shot was one of the things WW 1 was about. Not exactly pantamount.

I particularly enjoy this reason, especially from my fellow Southerners. I admit that I used to buy it, too, but when you really investigate the whole thing, it all comes back to slavery. States Rights = Slavery. Sure you had things like Federally instituted tariffs that were harming the Southern Economy, but there would have never been a war if Slavery wasn't an issue.

It's not like Buuchanan and Pierce could've just illegalized Abolitionist lobbies, though, so it's still not like they could've avoided anything.

For someone with fucked up economics he did seem to somehow manage to get America out of an economic crisis that brought Europe tumbling down.

It was the War effort itself that brought America out of the Depression, not the New Deal. With a war economy we had a massive expansion of industry, and a forced reduction in consumer goods. When the war was over, and all of these automobile factories could start building cars instead of tanks again, people bought up cars.

And really, even though Roosevelt was the architect of Allied victory, belittling Truman's worth as a president is a little harsh. Truman's value lies in what he accomplished after the war.

Uhm, no, I was talking purely from the American point of view. The "pure victor" overall would still have to be Stalin. Sorry.

From a European perspective.

The thing is, there wasn't really a "true victor" in the war. In Europe, Stalin did all of the bruntwork, but it was us and the Chinese that were grinding down the Japs. Of course, Stalin ended up riding roughshod over Manchukuo and Korea, but how long would it have taken him to invade Japan?

True, Kennedy was an idiot, but the President I still resent most is Jackson. Destroying the Central Bank and instituting the Spoils System fucked up the country something awful. Other Presidents can be excused for their incompetence, but Jackson was just a dick.