The ever widening cultural gap in Mainstream Media

The biggest issue with pop culture nowadays is how fast it get's mainstreamed by the big corps. Something is popular for a year => it gets bought out => it is advertised everywhere all the time. Notice how nowadays "new" trends aren't new at all. Emo culture is a half-assed mix of goth and hip hop, with some 90s pop thrown into the mix. Commercial rap is dead, last original rapper was 50 Cent and now he got even shittier than before, not to mention he makes like one 2-minutes track per half a year.

How is rock BTW? There are basically no new bands in the media that'd be at least half-decent and the old bands lost concept (i.e. Metallica).
 
Most good rock bands are underground(if you include all sub genres) there are a few good mainstream rock acts(including sub genre's) with some integrity(I'd like to think Queens of the Stone Age, Mastodon might count since they were nominated for a grammy.)

There are more than ever, a ton of great bands out there, just not with the same amount of exposure these Pop-rock groups and or crunk hip hop artists get.
 
I don't care much for contemporary music - pop or otherwise -, but for some reason Dutchies have a penchant for starting shitty music styles I regularly become addicted to. Currently up is jumpstyle.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4bX5LyC6vw[/youtube]
 
Well, depends on what kind of popularity we're talking, and where. There is a number of decent European rock or metal bands who are pretty popular and get mass media coverage in countries like Finland. Not to mention the formerly "underground" bands like Gorgoroth, Immortal and like who have managed to gather a pretty impressive fan base over the years.

If we're limiting the discussion to US, then, well, most of anything new that's decent or good is being totally ignored. The lack of popularity of rock and metal in the US I blame on excessive "polit. correctness" and overpowered religious interest groups.
 
It's not only that, but to "rebel" is almost a cliche, kids can go into a hot topic and buy the "uniform" that identifies there musical choice, rather than be the individual, they choose to belong. This relates primarily to the North American market.
 
Ravager69 said:
The biggest issue with pop culture nowadays is how fast it get's mainstreamed by the big corps. Something is popular for a year => it gets bought out => it is advertised everywhere all the time. Notice how nowadays "new" trends aren't new at all. Emo culture is a half-assed mix of goth and hip hop, with some 90s pop thrown into the mix. Commercial rap is dead, last original rapper was 50 Cent and now he got even shittier than before, not to mention he makes like one 2-minutes track per half a year.

How is rock BTW? There are basically no new bands in the media that'd be at least half-decent and the old bands lost concept (i.e. Metallica).
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You know most stuff on this great planet are made from Carbon, Hidrogen and Oxigen.

But even so, theres so many diferent things out there...

Every culture, civilization, product, cientific discovery, is the result of sucessive (whats the word? "that follows each other") events.

So the "originality" you want is impossible.. :/
 
It's not mainly about originality, because as you said it's pretty impossible and it always was, it's about making an original mixture of creator's individuality (personality, life experience, etc) based on individual mixtures created by others.

The same like every each of us, we are all individual mixtures of two other individual mixtures (our parents' DNA).


The mainstream media is focusing on making stuff which are the most popular that will sell well, and that's what happened with pop music back in 80's- it was bought because it was popular and most of the people who where creating that music, were easy to be manipulated.

Back then pop had many different offsprings and subgenres (New Romantic, Synth-Pop, Dance, New Wave, etc), now we are left with the same sounding crap called pop music ala Britney Spears.

Modern Rock is becoming like this, Emo is already (emo has actually originated from punk and goth btw) like that, and hip hop has already got into it.

Of course there are few good rock bands, but they are disappearing or getting sold out.

We still have many styles in music, which are staying in their spirit, and they are holding their possition pretty well (Industrial, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, Gothic, Hardcore, electro, ambient, experimental, etc). They have also the strongest fanbase which would likely to spit on so called musicians like Robbie Williams.
 
Ratty said:
I don't care much for contemporary music - pop or otherwise -, but for some reason Dutchies have a penchant for starting shitty music styles I regularly become addicted to. Currently up is jumpstyle.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4bX5LyC6vw[/youtube]
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Can you do the dance?!

From the same makers that brought you the lovely Gabber!

Even though jumpstyle is pretty much still hardstyle/hardcore, albeit a niche-subgenre.
 
Spoonfeed said:
Can you do the dance?!
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Heh, I can, but a bit worse than in the video and I stopped practicing some time ago. It's fun, though it looks kind lame to most.
 
Ravager69 said:
Spoonfeed said:
Can you do the dance?!
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Heh, I can, but a bit worse than in the video and I stopped practicing some time ago. It's fun, though it looks kind lame to most.
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Melbourne shuffle rakes in the ladies, and it should work with jumpstyle.
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZPaMdxC6CQI[/youtube]

Dont mind the music, or the drug addicts dancing, just mind the dance itself!
 
Ravager69 said:
How is rock BTW?
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Still bloody great!

I have to agree with you to some extent.
Really good, recently formed rock bands is harder to come by these days.

But thats not saying Hard Rock isnt to be found.

Great excellent examples of wonder:

Airbourne - Australia, formed 2003. Bloody marvellous

Stone Gods - UK, former members of The Darkness. A different style than The Darkness.

The Carburetors - Norway, fast forward rock 'n' roll. Check out: Pain is temporary, Glory is forever



And one must never forget the good old ones. Pioneers still going strong:

Judas Priest, metal gods released their concept album Nostradamus june '08.
Motörhead never dissapoints. Motörizer released august '08
AC/DC finally released Black Ice october '08. Been waiting for this since Stiff Upper Lip. (Got tickets to no less than two shows this year. Yay!)

T'was a good summer. Good summer indeed.

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''I got rock 'n' roll, to save me from the gold
And if that's all there is, it ain't so bad
Rock 'n' roll''

''Bet your life you don't need religion''

-Lemmy von Motörhead
 
Spoonfeed said:
Can you do the dance?!
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I can do the basic step and a couple of tricks, but I have neither the skill nor stamina for the really cool moves that the guys in the video perform.

It's fun, though it looks kind lame to most.
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True. Jumpers are looked down upon by true hardstyle aficionados, while fans of other electronica genres probably don't even know what jumpstyle is. Heh, this New Year I was at a club and after a couple of Red Bull vodkas I started doing jumpstyle on the floor. Which wouldn't be all that strange if the DJs performing weren't Freemasons (that's house music, for the uninitiated)... I didn't get laid that night.
 
Pop Music. Bah. Its like Mc Donalds. No one likes it or admits it but everyone knows whats on the Menue.
 
Ratty said:
I don't care much for contemporary music - pop or otherwise -, but for some reason Dutchies have a penchant for starting shitty music styles I regularly become addicted to. Currently up is jumpstyle.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4bX5LyC6vw[/youtube]
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you gotta be fucking kiddin' me...

when the shit finally hits the fan, i'm going on safari to kill as many fucktards like that guy as i possibly can...
 
I don't understand why people would want to listen to songs where the band expresses wishes to "fuck bitches, get cash and drink criss in their bentleys".

I guess I could cope with the fact that the tune is cool or whatever, but I personally can't take listening to such crap.
 
Deadman87 said:
I don't understand why people would want to listen to songs where the band expresses wishes to "fuck bitches, get cash and drink criss in their bentleys".

I guess I could cope with the fact that the tune is cool or whatever, but I personally can't take listening to such crap.
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Cause! Its the coolest shitz to do today. And if you dont like it youre just one old mofo stuck in old school thinking that also might think Fallout 3 is not the best RPG around ! :mrgreen:
 
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