The Fallout show is shit and destroys the only good thing Bethesdas Fallout had in its universe

Nightkin

Nightkin

First time out of the vault
As the title says. Shit show.

I'm wondering how so many people actually like this shit. Under clips, everyone is praising it, commenting stuff like, "I'm a huge New Vegas fan, and I love what they did with it."

Or dumb shit like "I'm a New Vegas fan, and i love this! Not every New Vegas fan is unreasonable. " You get the point. Apparently, New Vegas fans now need to seek the approval of Bethestards.

Being a New Vegas fan has been turned into a negative attribute in the general Fallout community. Many YouTubers made us seem like Nazi-esque characters and thus we are now irredeemable dicks who shouldn't be taken seriously.

And yet New Vegas is genuinely the only good modern Fallout game. The irony.

The show destroys New Vegas. I feel like I'm in some sort of Bizarro world right now, seeing all the praises.

What's your take?
 
The show doesn’t just break or damage one game in the series, it somehow manages to do so for every game that’s come out, including Bethesda’s own games. The writing is absolutely terrible, the whole world is treated as one massive wacky joke with no semblance of grounded reality, and the damage to the lore is probably the worst it’s ever been. This show has been parroted as one of the best video game adaptions ever made when it couldn’t even adapt Bethesda’s failed adaptions correctly. Thats like Inception levels of failure when it comes to Fallout.
As for the reason why people hate New Vegas fans, it’s because New Vegas isn’t what Fallout is to nu-Fallout fans. In-depth semi-realistic grounded world building, player choice reactivity, gray moral and philosophical quandaries as the world advances, and skill-based interactivity isn’t Fallout to them.
New Vegas is the miracle game that was made post-Interplay for us whereas New Vegas is the boring, difficult, dialogue heavy game that has “nothing to explore” to them.
And so when people who were introduced to good Fallout with New Vegas keep pining for another good game, it infuriates the people who were introduced to Fallout with 3, 4, 76, or the TV show who see Fallout as nothing more than a looter shooter crafting series where you can look at a somewhat blown up major city and point at some place you know.
The reason the show gets so much praise despite being one of the worst adaptions is because Fallout has had no identity for a long time. If every game that comes out is just the Brotherhood vs bad guys comedy hour set in recognizable city, then in some weird ass cosmic irony, the show adapted Fallout perfectly.
 
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I don't get it, what does the show destroy particularly about New Vegas?
 
PaxVenire said:
I never understood this phrase, "No one hates x more than x fans".
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Because anyone that uses that phrase wants to paint some of the more passionate fans as irrational babies that want to complain for the sake of complaining. But all that phrase does is make the people who say it come off as pretentious dipshits.

The irony and really hypocrisy is the fact the people that say that will proceed to shit on some other entry in the franchise. Like Millim shitting on Fallout 76 in other threads.
 
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Norzan said:
Because anyone that uses that phrase wants to paint some of the more passionate fans as irrational babies that want to complain for the sake of complaining. But all that phrase does is make the people who say it come off as pretentious dipshits.

The irony and really hypocrisy is the fact the people that say that will proceed to shit on some other entry in the franchise. Like Millim shitting on Fallout 76 in other threads.
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So do you hate Bethesda Fallout or are you critical of them?
 
PaxVenire said:
The show doesn’t just break or damage one game in the series, it somehow manages to do so for every game that’s come out, including Bethesda’s own games. The writing is absolutely terrible, the whole world is treated as one massive wacky joke with no semblance of grounded reality, and the damage to the lore is probably the worst it’s ever been. This show has been parroted as one of the best video game adaptions ever made when it couldn’t even adapt Bethesda’s failed adaptions correctly. Thats like Inception levels of failure when it comes to Fallout.
As for the reason why people hate New Vegas fans, it’s because New Vegas isn’t what Fallout is to nu-Fallout fans. In-depth semi-realistic grounded world building, player choice reactivity, gray moral and philosophical quandaries as the world advances, and skill-based interactivity isn’t Fallout to them.
New Vegas is the miracle game that was made post-Interplay for us whereas New Vegas is the boring, difficult, dialogue heavy game that has “nothing to explore” to them.
And so when people who were introduced to good Fallout with New Vegas keep pining for another good game, it infuriates the people who were introduced to Fallout with 3, 4, 76, or the TV show who see Fallout as nothing more than a looter shooter crafting series where you can look at a somewhat blown up major city and point at some place you know.
The reason the show gets so much praise despite being one of the worst adaptions is because Fallout has had no identity for a long time. If every game that comes out is just the Brotherhood vs bad guys comedy hour set in recognizable city, then in some weird ass cosmic irony, the show adapted Fallout perfectly.
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At this point I'm numb to the lore bastardizations, Todd and Bezos will do whatever they want to make the show's audience as large, and thus basic, as possible. But maaan is the show cringy to watch. It's like the writers watched a compilation of all 'funny' random encounters from FO2 and Wild Wasteland moments from New Vegas and based the show's dialogue off of those.

When the show takes itself seriously it can be rather watchable. I like how Legion-y the BoS is. Even if it's not at all accurate, it's a believable attitude for a post-apocalyptic faction to have. The Vault 32 mystery is a good idea that captures Vault-Tec's social experiments well. Cold-fusion is a good plot device that fits into the pre-existing lore. But every time someone opens their mouth all the potential crumbles to dust.

The Fallout TV show is the mass media the Borderlands fans deserved
 
I love F3, maybe because it was my first Fallout.
I love FNV because yes and there would have been no FNV without F3

I personally liked the TV series, the protagonists are not bad and the setting is quite faithful despite the discrepancies. Of course, those of you who have been following the games for longer than me (I recovered 1 & 2 later), will find many more discrepancies but we can't do anything about that. Almost always a film based on a VG or a Comic has things that are not right.
 
Nightkin said:
As the title says. Shit show.

I'm wondering how so many people actually like this shit. Under clips, everyone is praising it, commenting stuff like, "I'm a huge New Vegas fan, and I love what they did with it."

Or dumb shit like "I'm a New Vegas fan, and i love this! Not every New Vegas fan is unreasonable. " You get the point. Apparently, New Vegas fans now need to seek the approval of Bethestards.

Being a New Vegas fan has been turned into a negative attribute in the general Fallout community. Many YouTubers made us seem like Nazi-esque characters and thus we are now irredeemable dicks who shouldn't be taken seriously.

And yet New Vegas is genuinely the only good modern Fallout game. The irony.

The show destroys New Vegas. I feel like I'm in some sort of Bizarro world right now, seeing all the praises.

What's your take?
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The show is safe shit. I hate it. Absolutely can't stand it. All the idiots praising it are accepting subpar slop and hoping for more.

It is post modern Emil cancerous horseshit. He can't write for shit. It absolutely shits on New Vegas. The ending was garbage. Corpos bad commie good was the entire message. Yt man bad i.e. Michael Rapaport. It is, I hate using the term woke is so overused but its woke. Bethesda is a sad shell of itself under Howard & Emil. Emil couldn't write his ass out of a wet paper bag.
 
Squooshy said:
At this point I'm numb to the lore bastardizations, Todd and Bezos will do whatever they want to make the show's audience as large, and thus basic, as possible. But maaan is the show cringy to watch. It's like the writers watched a compilation of all 'funny' random encounters from FO2 and Wild Wasteland moments from New Vegas and based the show's dialogue off of those.

When the show takes itself seriously it can be rather watchable. I like how Legion-y the BoS is. Even if it's not at all accurate, it's a believable attitude for a post-apocalyptic faction to have. The Vault 32 mystery is a good idea that captures Vault-Tec's social experiments well. Cold-fusion is a good plot device that fits into the pre-existing lore. But every time someone opens their mouth all the potential crumbles to dust.

The Fallout TV show is the mass media the Borderlands fans deserved
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That's because Emil is an awful writer.
 
I don't be a first, who say it ( I hope ), but series not bad, if you split fallout before bethesda and after. In our time we have bethesda fallout, no alternative. It's both good ( because fallout still live and be more popular than it be before bethesda ) and bad ( because we have fallout 4, 76, series and other shit, you know why original fallout fan's don't like it ). So, I just try to take it, not too bad and not too good. Just okay.
 
For such a good show according to the normies it's funny how pretty much no one talks about it anymore. I know people can argue that we are just waiting for a second season (i'm not personally), but good shows always have at least a bit of conversation, and in this case it seems the show has been forgotten by everybody.
 
The show was like the Lord of the Rings movies. It is an interpretation. It isn't the lore, or canon. It's just a tv show. It can be enjoyed for what it is, provided it doesn't veer too far off course from the 'canon'. Everyone has their own 'canon' which is the adventure they experienced, whether reading the books, or playing the games. Nothing produced after, can (almost) ever match the original experiences, even when produced by the same original visions (looking at any number of later sequels in any number of cultural products).

I personally enjoyed aspects of the show, especially where things from Fallout 2 were 'retro-edited'. It wasn't my Fallout, but I was able to enjoy it, as it was clearly not trying to be MY Fallout. Just an interpretation.
 
Cambragol said:
provided it doesn't veer too far off course from the 'canon'.
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And this show does it, it does a lot. The lore breaks and contradictions are as wide as the Grand Canyon.

I'm tired of having to pick and choose what i consider canon. It's the reason why i stopped caring for this franchise outside of three games, i'm dead fucking tired of everything being so inconsistent and contradictory to what it's established in previous pieces of media.

Basically stop making dumbass "interpretations" of a franchise that is meant to be a continous story and actually respect what happened before and write from it instead of around it.
 
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Cambragol said:
The show was like the Lord of the Rings movies. It is an interpretation. It isn't the lore, or canon.
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One of the biggest marketing points was that Bethesda considered this show inseparably canon to the games, with even Todd Howard calling it "Fallout 5" when promoting it.
Cambragol said:
It's just a tv show. It can be enjoyed for what it is, provided it doesn't veer too far off course from the 'canon'.
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It doesn't just veer far off course from canon, it yaws the ship 180 degrees and crashes into the harbor.
Cambragol said:
Everyone has their own 'canon' which is the adventure they experienced, whether reading the books, or playing the games. Nothing produced after, can (almost) ever match the original experiences, even when produced by the same original visions (looking at any number of later sequels in any number of cultural products).
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This is certainly true, canon has lost all it's value as a word to me when it comes to franchises. Canon is more of a marketing term now to get bugmen excited for the next new thing. Canon should simply be what people like. Star Wars for example, I could cry and bitch all day about Disney, but I don't because only the OT really matters to me.
 
Well... moving from one production studio to another, it's normal that there are some rewrites.
Fallout went from Interplay and Black Isle to Bethesda... one can try to stay as consistent as possible with the original, but there might be some things that he doesn't like and he tries to improve them according to HIS point of view. He adds or removes things that for him can be more or less important

Moving on to the television studio, this thing was partly done further.

Imagine that at Marvel 10-15 years ago they rewrote the origins of many characters and took a super character like the old Nick Fury with the hair done in the breeze to transform him into someone like the one in the cinematic universe. When the real correctness would have been to change the actor.

I myself, for the story that I intend to write, made some risky choices, even trying to contact some producers of the first games and also those of Bethesda for a comparison. In the end I decided to place here in Italy some of the iconic companies of the world of Fallout, from Nuka-Cola to West-Tek, RobCo, General Atomics, etc... up to Vault-Tec. The latter in particular perhaps didn't make much sense but I wanted to put a couple of vaults that however were not finished in time.
 
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