Chancellor Kremlin
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The Future
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Evidently you would not fair well in a vault
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_and_First_Men
Has anyone here read this? If so, what do you think of it as a prediction of the future of humanity?
Has anyone here read this? If so, what do you think of it as a prediction of the future of humanity?
TyloniusFunk
It Wandered In From the Wastes
The future is bright. Unfortunately we'll have to wait for a video game for a true Fallout sequel. Let me explain:
Advances in nanotechnology will yield advances in solar and super capacitor technology. We will harvest solar energy in the deserts and transport it via electric vehicle to cities. Solar is the only source of energy that rivals our future consumption in terms of Joules, so this is basically fact (Solar, that is, not the electric vehicle harvesting scenario, I just like that cause I think of it like an RTS.) Even if you used all arable land on earth for biodiesel, it is a nonsolution.
Nanotechnology will herald advances in all other spheres of human existence and the globe will experience a new industrialization era that we can not really imagine now. Also, the UN will be replaced with an international body with voting based on population. In less than 100 years from now, China will settle the first extraterrestrial colony, wherever that might be. In 500 years Mars is terraformed and the first manned voyage outside the solar system has been accomplished.
Advances in nanotechnology will yield advances in solar and super capacitor technology. We will harvest solar energy in the deserts and transport it via electric vehicle to cities. Solar is the only source of energy that rivals our future consumption in terms of Joules, so this is basically fact (Solar, that is, not the electric vehicle harvesting scenario, I just like that cause I think of it like an RTS.) Even if you used all arable land on earth for biodiesel, it is a nonsolution.
Nanotechnology will herald advances in all other spheres of human existence and the globe will experience a new industrialization era that we can not really imagine now. Also, the UN will be replaced with an international body with voting based on population. In less than 100 years from now, China will settle the first extraterrestrial colony, wherever that might be. In 500 years Mars is terraformed and the first manned voyage outside the solar system has been accomplished.
Chancellor Kremlin
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TyloniusFunk said:
That would not surprise me one bit. With its gigantic population, either China, or India (or both) will want to find 'outlets' for their population. They both have space technology, and I think at least one of them has a moon mission.
Moon colonies anynore?
I read somewhere before that American government before some fifty years tried building underwater settlements, although they succeed in building them they proved to be unreliable, but i would not be surprised that in the near future it would be a logical step in solving the overpopulation problem. So sea instead of space, what do you think?
Chancellor Kremlin
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marko2te said:
It surprises me we still dont have one. Not even a measly laboratory or something like in X-Com.
I mean, we have nuclear power, sub pens, air locks, hydroponics, desalinisation, what is the big problem? Even in shallow water this shouldn't be too hard, say for a small sized lab or something.
To what purpose?
Why can't you gather from the surface/submersibles that you can from a laboratory?
Why can't you gather from the surface/submersibles that you can from a laboratory?
To those who saw my first post in this thread. It was a snap reaction to the first page. Others have said some of my points alot better than I did.
Wind power as a solution seems to have disappeared after the first few pages, but nobody has really debunked it. The problem with it is three fold.
1) How windy is your town?
2) How expensive is it to create that wind mill?
3) What % of that energy do you get from the wind mill over it's lifetime?
Most places simply aren't windy enough to produce power on a regular basis. The high tech wind mills are expensive, but they also produce a nice % of power. The low tech ones are the opposite. So except for those few places that are quite windy they don't solve anything.
As for the original topic: Overpopulation & the belief we can 'run out of things' is more likely than anything else to kill us.
Fun idea:
http://www.articlesbase.com/news-and-society-articles/black-holes-in-space-273715.html
Thoughts on it?
Edit:
Chancellor Kremlin, the problem is pressure & we do have small labs where they test things. Check for Space forums and you'll see that several groups are using underwater labs to check how thing perform in space.
Wind power as a solution seems to have disappeared after the first few pages, but nobody has really debunked it. The problem with it is three fold.
1) How windy is your town?
2) How expensive is it to create that wind mill?
3) What % of that energy do you get from the wind mill over it's lifetime?
Most places simply aren't windy enough to produce power on a regular basis. The high tech wind mills are expensive, but they also produce a nice % of power. The low tech ones are the opposite. So except for those few places that are quite windy they don't solve anything.
As for the original topic: Overpopulation & the belief we can 'run out of things' is more likely than anything else to kill us.
Fun idea:
http://www.articlesbase.com/news-and-society-articles/black-holes-in-space-273715.html
Thoughts on it?
Edit:
Chancellor Kremlin, the problem is pressure & we do have small labs where they test things. Check for Space forums and you'll see that several groups are using underwater labs to check how thing perform in space.
from teh link:
They didn't. Womb is not a black hole. It's a womb. The analogy sucks anyway, because things come out of a womb and things go in a black hole. So even if they were trying to make an analogy (which they weren't) the mayans got it wrong. It would've been right if they said it was a gaping throat of doom. We all know things go into throats...
Now, if we cross the circumference of the Galaxy (how moronic is that to say: we don't know where to start measuring a circle because IT HAS NO END or beginning) we wouldn't encounter a black hole, because it is supposed to be at the center of the Galaxy, thus at the center of the circle. Going round the circumference one never encounters the center of the circle.
Mayans were dumb (ok, no smarter than) like all the primitives and got what was inevitable for them: extinction. If they were so smart (and right!) we would all be speaking mayan now and be praying to Itzamna.
Looking into what people of the believed about the future and saying it's gonna happen is useless. Imagine if someone takes the fallout series and starts spreading rumors about how the world's ending in 2077...
They didn't. Womb is not a black hole. It's a womb. The analogy sucks anyway, because things come out of a womb and things go in a black hole. So even if they were trying to make an analogy (which they weren't) the mayans got it wrong. It would've been right if they said it was a gaping throat of doom. We all know things go into throats...
Now, if we cross the circumference of the Galaxy (how moronic is that to say: we don't know where to start measuring a circle because IT HAS NO END or beginning) we wouldn't encounter a black hole, because it is supposed to be at the center of the Galaxy, thus at the center of the circle. Going round the circumference one never encounters the center of the circle.
Mayans were dumb (ok, no smarter than) like all the primitives and got what was inevitable for them: extinction. If they were so smart (and right!) we would all be speaking mayan now and be praying to Itzamna.
Looking into what people of the believed about the future and saying it's gonna happen is useless. Imagine if someone takes the fallout series and starts spreading rumors about how the world's ending in 2077...
Blakut said:
I said it was a fun idea. Not that it was a serious or correct one. History is full of dates & times when everything is going to end. You can take the doom & gloom attitude or have a little fun. The odd thing about the Mayans plus several other people is that they had accurate calandars & primitive but effective star charts.
Dying off proving someone is an idiot?
You're kidding right? A smart person isn't a more effective one... The bullet/sword through the guts doesn't care what your IQ is and the iron armour that the Spanish were using didn't help much either.The bullet/sword and iron armor don't magically appear out of nowhere. Someone has to build them. And the ships to take you there.
I don't think it's odd. I mean they had the sky to stare at for like forever. It would've been odd not to notice some patterns and make calendars. They needed those anyway, so it was only a matter of time.
Chancellor Kremlin
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Pope Viper said:
I meant lab because usually that is the first thing they build, look at space. It doesn't necessarily have to be a lab, hell, it could be a military base or an underwater resort for all I care. The question is, why don't we have something even small scale? (Like a lab lol...)
Fade said:
Yes, but thats like in pools and stuff. Im talking about a fuly submersed underwater base, or lab, or whatever you want to call it. In shallow waters pressure really shouldn't be a problem. It just surprises me with all the technology we have we don't see anything even remotely like them.
Fade said:
That is probably correct. In places with low wind solar power would be a good option. All we need to do it make it cheaper and mass produce it.
I mean, today you can actually power your house day and night, through good and bad weather, with solar panels. And I mean both hot water AND electicity. You can store the energy you don't use and/or sell it back to the grid. For all intents and purposes, you don't even need the grid.
The downside to it is that it is ridiculously expensive and takes like 2-3 generations before you see your profits back. Last time I saw, some 3 panels were like £16,000, and for full independent power production and storage you need like 9. In the UK, the government does allocate grants and subsidies for this, but even then it still works out ridiculously expensive.
Regardin the future and possible ends of the world, having a house in some arable land in the middle of nowhere with some of those panels stored would be perfect. You would live in luxury compared to the rest of the world.
Blakut said:
Thats a ridiculous statement. The Mayans were the pinnacle of civilisation at their time, and technologically, culturally, militarily and architecturally surpassed all other 'primitive' tribes in their area.
They are still many debates as to why they went 'extinct', one being climate change and drought. Thats like saying because the nex ice age wipes us out, we are dumb.
Fade said:
It has already been proved there is a supermassive blackhole in the center of our universe. At least I remember reading it sometime ago on the BBC. The universe is a massive and beautiful, enigmatic thing.
It never ceases to amaze me. Although I do think the author went a bit overboard with the analogies and with the 'our universe came from somewhere else' stories.
T
TorontoReign
Guest
http://www.poseidonresorts.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Undersea_Lodge
The second one sounds cool. Scuba diving to get to your room is a bit much, but I dig it.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Undersea-Resort
Dubai rocks even more now. I saw a news special on it not too long back. Before then I had never heard of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Undersea_Lodge
The second one sounds cool. Scuba diving to get to your room is a bit much, but I dig it.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Undersea-Resort
Dubai rocks even more now. I saw a news special on it not too long back. Before then I had never heard of it.
Blakut said:
Europe went to war constantly with itself and war pushes people to invent things so they don't die. South American wasn't nearly that aggressive so the pressure to invent better armour, weapons & ships wasn't there.
I don't think it's odd. I mean they had the sky to stare at for like forever. It would've been odd not to notice some patterns and make calendars. They needed those anyway, so it was only a matter of time.[/quote]
It's how accurate the calandars & charts are that strikes me... compared to Europe (at the time) they were more advanced.... compared to us and they were a little primitive, but only a little say 1950s or 1960s.
Chancellor Kremlin
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Fade said:
They were just as agressive as the next empire, they were just not at the same level of development. In technical terms they were still in the stone age seeing as they did not develop iron or bronze. That, and the lack of those resources in the area is perhaps a good explanation.
They probably also only became sedentary long after the Indo-Europeans did, which explain their apparent 'technological backwardness' when compared to European peoples.
Its not like a game where all the different factions all start at the same time and at the same level of development/technology.