The Glow: no charred bodies (German version)

Discussion in 'Fallout RPG Gameplay & Tech' started by Jammet, Aug 3, 2005.

  1. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    Actually, we're not talking about the rat animations (pay attention); we're talking about charred bodies (be it rat or human) arts.

    I would be grateful if someone identified the Fallout German version that is missing those and the FRMs that are missing. So we could pack them into a zip file and make a patch.
     
  2. Argonnot

    Argonnot Still Mildly Glowing

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    Aug 27, 2004
    Well I was refering to the frms in general for all charred deaths, not just rats and people. Also From what he said in his last post, it appears all the firedeath and charred to nothing frms were removed from the german version.
     
  3. Crowley

    Crowley It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Dec 12, 2003
    Let's all hear it for Germany's censorship system!
     
  4. Argonnot

    Argonnot Still Mildly Glowing

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    Aug 27, 2004
    Lets all here it for interplay taking the shortcut and nto thinking of the reprocussions.
     
  5. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    All right, I'd like you to do one more thing to confirm this is a case of missing critter frms.

    Please install (humongous or whatever it's called in German) your German version, then insert the English disc and copy the CRITTER.DAT file in your fallout dir. You should then have a German version with all the missing FRMs.

    And out of curiosity, did you see any children in the game?
     
  6. Kahgan

    Kahgan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 25, 2003
    There are no children in fallout1, or there are, but they all look like the junkies in the Den from Fallout2. The child frm were new in Fo2.
     
  7. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    Although I can''t name a location with children, I'm sure there must have been some... Why else woudl there be a Childkiller title? Are you sure there weren't any in the Hub or Shady Sands perhaps?

    I can't recall a town location with children... But there is a random encounter in the coastal area, where you meet a father and son with whom you can barter. I'm positive there is a child there.

    I also seem to remember Saul's lil' brother in Junktown. Or was there one?
     
  8. Kahgan

    Kahgan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 25, 2003
    I remember seeing children in Shday Sands, but they had frm's like the junkies in the Den in Fo2 and the description was sometihng like "You see a boy"...
     
  9. Jammet

    Jammet Leopardster

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    May 30, 2005
    I can do the master.dat thing tomorrow -- will do. About children. No, I've never seen any at all (yet). But down in the Glow there was a very small body. Perhaps that ... would have been a child.
     
  10. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    Critter.dat, not Master.dat! Pay attention.
     
  11. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    Can we get confirmation from someone else that charred corpses are always missing entirely from the German version? If so, this would definitely be mentionable in my guide.

    Edit: Oops, only read the first page of posts so I duplicated Silencer's request. Well, no confirmation yet it seems. Also, when posting screenshots, keep them small, small, SMALL! In terms of file size that is - you can usually convey the critical info even if it's not crystal crisp.
     
  12. Jammet

    Jammet Leopardster

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    May 30, 2005
    Yes, that works Silencer. It is the german version of the game I have - running with the critter.dat file of the english original.

    So, the maps weren't modified after all. I guess the engine simply removes any objects when there is no graphics found to represent them.

    Here is a picture, as a URL this time because ... well, I could keep it small, but it's already dark as can be and jpg's tend to get extremely messy at higher compressions. So instead of showing it as a picture I'll give you the URL.

    http://www.tigress.com/jammet/scr00001.jpg

    Interestingly, the text for the charred corpses seems to be present and in german. "Ueberreste von: Frau", etc. So they are most likey in another file and truthfully it doesn't matter if the text remains just so long as the graphics is gone, from the censors point of view.

    But I haven't seen any (living) kids in the game. Neither english nor german version. If you know of a very specific place or time (a random encounter at the coastline might be hard to get) I can check that out for you too.

    One last thing: critter.dat in german Fallout file size is 113 MB.
     
  13. Argonnot

    Argonnot Still Mildly Glowing

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    Aug 27, 2004
    The hub in old town has about 6 kids running around it, same with the farm part of shadey sande. check those places for children.
     
  14. Oracle

    Oracle Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    May 19, 2003
    there is a fallout 1 children patch aswell. Didnt got it to work tho...
    could be becourse I didnt start a new game. I 100% sure I encounterd a boy in the hub. He was a son of a farmer.

    The patch is in nma download site
     
  15. Jammet

    Jammet Leopardster

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    May 30, 2005
    Yes, there are kids running around flapping their hands in the air in Shady sands, and surely everywhere else where you remember them.

    So, this is in critter.dat as well. Now - knowing all that, I wonder what else was cut out of the game. Considering that the german critter.dat is considerably smaller than the english one.
     
  16. Oracle

    Oracle Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    May 19, 2003
    Mine is 149MB. It didnt include the childeren
     
  17. Rev. Layle

    Rev. Layle A Smooth-Skin

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    Jul 26, 2005
    As well, there were kids with the blades in the boneyard, IIRC
     
  18. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    Interestingly, my current version has charred bodies, but no kids, I guess it's an English one. Jammet's has kids, but no charred bodies, making it some kind of a German low-violence version.

    Maybe he ought to try using a flamer on a kid character and see what happens :twisted:
     
  19. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    My UK version has no kids, charred or otherwise. Exchanging the exe for the US version and adding all the kid graphics adds the live kids into the game, but not the charred body in the Glow for some reason. This could be related to the fact that kids don't do special deaths (e.g. the Flamethrower just knocks them over). If they don't do that in the US version, I seriously doubt they do it in the German no-blood one.
     
  20. Demonslayer

    Demonslayer Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Aug 8, 2005
    How do i know where's version from? i have kids...at least in Klamath and in The Den (those bastards!) i have.

    But since i'm from Portugal i don't think my game is US.