The obligatory Vista thread

Ashmo said:
Most of the development time and bloated code went into DRM integration and other junk the (advanced) end user couldn't care less about, as far as I can tell.

DirectX 10 is an attempt at forcing wary gamers into buying the new OS when their old one still works (or at least dangle enough carrots in front of them so they re-consider the drawbacks).
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in time, i'll pretty much be forced to go to Vista. most gamers will.

linux offers no viable alternative for this (yet).

Ashmo said:
XAML is an attempt to stop the rise of other, OPEN, XML interface description languages (XUL etc) in their tracks, because Microsoft strictly adheres to the good old NIH policy ("Not Invented Here", aka Reinventing the Wheel) because they can't enforce their 1984esque policies on users of open source alternatives.
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well, that is logical from their point of view. linux is a true danger to them. the less open stuff they use, the less chance people are likely to jump ship.

Ashmo said:
If you consider how much of the performance requirements is caused by code with the sole purpose of DRM control and vendor lock-in, it's not funny.
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every second devices are pooled to make sure there is no anomaly.

if everyone were to install Vista, there'd be more useless 'idle' cpu processes eating up processing time than all SETI & F@H networks together doing something useful.

Sorrow said:
That's why I'm still using win98.
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i pity you. at least you couldve installed linux if you didnt want to step on the mickeysoft treadmill...
 
I don't think I'll be getting Vista, at least any time in the near future. It's pretty expensive and as an OS it doesn't do anything I care about, so I'm looking at it like a a variation on a gaming console - if enough games come out for dx10 that I'd be interested in playing, I'll think about getting it. Aside from games though, I can't think of any reason to get Vista over staying with XP or moving on to Linux.
 
Sorrow said:
SuAside said:
Sorrow said:
That's why I'm still using win98.
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i pity you.
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Why? What's wrong with win98? Most of games work on win98 and no-one bothers to make viruses that work on it.
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well, because it's like living in the stoneage.

it's slow, not entirely stable and doesn't run modern apps too well.

you're really better off switching to linux...
 
Main road-block for us now is the price and DRM.
The only reason to get Vista is future compability. Face it, sooner or later things are settle down and price of multicore and cheap RAM can be afforded and many people will get it.

As long as they release a Service Patch

:lol:
 
Morbus said:
Is it? :shock:
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Yes.

Other than a bug with av software causing a bluw screen at startup (hehe, I never get over that kind of stuff). It ran smooth, clean, and reliable.

Gaming was a bit slower, due to the fact that it was running it in compatibilty mode, since there's no games made for vista 64 yet. So there was a bit of slowdown in them, not too bad but noticible. Weird thing is, load times are cut in half or more. It loads into ram really fast, just chugs a bit on graphic intensive stuff. DX-10 was really buggy when I used RC1 for gaming, it took some work to get it from mangling graphics on a lot of games. Always the "Plays best on Nvidia" ones.

What blows me away is the new media center extension stuff. I'm going to run my PC as the center of my home theatre, just like media center was made for, and it really kicks ass.
 
I shall never touch Vista. Hell, as it is I can't stand Media Center. Fortunately I don't have it (it came on my ladyfriend's laptop... her X-mas present was XP Pro). If I ever do need a new OS for whatever reason it will have to be some Unix-based thing. I'm technical enough to understand it all and the hardcore nerds out there will make sure that everything I really want to run will run... Too many issues with Vista, most of them discussed (system hog, luser-friendly, DRM, etc, etc, etc) already.
 
It's gonna be a shitty situation, when the new computer games are going to be published "exclusively for Windows Vista"...

Then again, nobody really hasn't published a single awesomely great computer game for a few years now (as far I'm concerned) and I don't think that it is going to change very soon. :roll:

Well, duh. I'll just stick with the Windows XP and the games of the good old '90s...
 
I build computers and I've had quite a bit of experience with vista already.

My opinion: Don't touch it with a ten foot pole.

The interface is a lot pettier than xp, and I guess it is easier to use for people who have never owned a computer before, but all that pretty junk uses up a lot of memory even when the computer isn't doing anything.

Vista will run fine on 1GB of ram, but don't think about playing games. There are a lot of games I had trouble running, and performance in Vista is slower than Windows XP unless you have a machine with a super fast processor and at least 2GB of ram - then performance is similar, and maybe a couple fps better, but it's not worth it.

Vista kills budget gaming machines. I tested it out on a computer with an AM2 Athalon 64 3500+, 512MB DDR2, and a Radeon X1600 Pro 256MB just to see if the horror stories about 512 MB of ram were true (vista needs almost that much just to sit and do nothing, so I figure a vista system with 1 Gig of ram probably performs about as well as an XP system with 512 mb of Ram). That system can crank everything up for Need for Speed Most Wanted with XP, but in Vista the game freezes every five seconds. Running the game with 1GB of ram on Vista still isn't as good as xp with 512 (framerates are still bad). Like I said, you need at least 2GB of Ram just to get similar performance to XP.

Gamespot has some benchmarks which give a better Idea about Vista than I can, but they like it more than I do too. Check it out here: Link




Stay away from this garbage!
 
Pcaristotle said:
I build computers and I've had quite a bit of experience with vista already.

My opinion: Don't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I'm not sure yet because I haven't done the research, but I'm pretty sure that vista is not a new os (i.e. it is built on xp, which is built on 2000, which is built on NT).
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You're wrong. It has been built from the ground up and is, from a design perspective, inherently safer and more stable than XP. Really, it is.
 
Sander said:
You're wrong. It has been built from the ground up and is, from a design perspective, inherently safer and more stable than XP. Really, it is.
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I stand corrected, thank you for saving me the research. It just feels like more of the same instead of something new. And Vista 64 bit still seems to have the same problems 64 bit xp had.

Oh yeah, and please pardon the bad English - "I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure...". I'm not doing well today...
 
Pcaristotle said:
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I heard and said all the same things, for windows 98 and up.

Actually I said the same things for windows. All of them.

Necessary evil.
 
Beh, I have messed around with vista a bit on my bosses computer. I don't like it. It makes me feel like it takes ten thousand years for it to do anything. I don't know the specifics of his machine though.
 
duckman said:
How does Fallout/Fallout 2 run on Vista, or hasn't anyone bothered yet? I haven't :P
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For some reason I haven't tried it yet...

What the fuck is wrong with me...?
 
Dove said:
duckman said:
How does Fallout/Fallout 2 run on Vista, or hasn't anyone bothered yet? I haven't :P
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For some reason I haven't tried it yet...

What the fuck is wrong with me...?
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Yeah man, what the fuck :roll:

I saw a thread in the Fallout Help part, but it had something to do with the patch, and other than that it worked all fine and dandy.
 
After a couple of weeks with Vista RC1 always on, I felt the OS was quite good, particularly the memory management and problem solution methods.

In the end it crashed bad, i mean 14 BSODs...


I got the retail version and I'm trying to fix things, glad I had a partition with XP though...
 
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